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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Abuzzzz on September 09, 2011, 03:54:58 AM
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Since somebody just recently brought up end of the day glass, can anyone tell me if this is really a piece of Thomas Webb End of the Day Glass? I was told it was by a local antique dealer who says he collects it.
Thanks
Kathy
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More an observation than anything firm, But some enamel decorated yellow/white glass of this sort has been known to be by moser not seen much of this with a nice metal mounts before nice thing.. :thup:
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I have seen a small lidded pot with metal mounts in this type of glass (not end of day) and that was attributed to Moser. :thup:
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Not the quality I would expect from Moser, possibly Bohemian though.
John
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No Thomas Webb, not end of day (a term that should be banned, as it is 99 times out of 100 used erroneously) and Bohemian. Whether it is Moser or not is a matter of debate in my mind, though the Passau Museum does show similar items labelled as Moser, but there are known to be errors in some Passau attributions...
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would agree with John - Bohemian/Cezch. almost certainly. The Truits show a single example which they attribute to Weltz (who disappeared prior to WW1, apparently) - and as we all know (courtesy of Ruth A. Forsythe) this colourway was knocked out in profusion by what became known as Czechoslovakia between 1918 and c.1940. The Truits example appears to be cased in clear - although difficutlt to see in a photograph - but I would not remotely have thought the quality of this one was Moser. This one doesn't look cased, but I could be wrong. For what it's worth, I'd say this example was Czechoslovakian from somewhere in the 1920's/early 30's, but almost impossible to be accurate.
Have just spoken to Raymond Slack re the comments about 'end of day glass' - and he reminded me of his comments on this subject some year or so ago. He is adamant that there never was anything which may be correctly called 'end of day glass' - and the same sentiment expressed by Hajdamach (British Glass 1800 - 1914 page 308). Easy to understand the misconception I suppose - all those swirling different colours which look as though they were the left overs, and had just been thrown into the pot to be used up and not wasted. :)
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Thank you so much for your help. The vase is incased in clear glass as you can see from these photos:
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hello Abuzzzz - however, regret I can't really see the casing - but take your word for it, of course :)
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Well after searching some more I came up with this link, and am still searching. But this looks exactly like what I have:
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/28588-moser-spatter-enameled-glass
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then I stand corrected, and all credit to Lustrousstone. :)
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tee hee
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Just in case the links disappear, in the link to Collectors weekly Alfredo shows enamelled examples of this decor and says that there is a fully signed example in the Passau Museum catalogue page 129. He also says that the Passau mentions undecorated examples and that other companies made this type of decor, if I read it correctly?#
So does that mean this particular piece is still inconclusive?
m
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I vote for "still inconclusive". In my opinion, the decoration on the items said to be Moser is less generic and is applied with a more considered design balance than on Kathy's piece. That's not to say that I think Kathy's vase is unpleasant in any way.
I showed this pair of "jug vases" (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pid=12179&fullsize=1) in an older discussion of this type of decor and although I have not yet searched for that thread, I am fairly sure that a Moser attribution was not confirmed for any of the items covered in that message.
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Kevin I don't know for sure, but Alberto says on that site he does have the Moser attribution.
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Let's add in the earlier GMB discussions where similar types of decor were discussed:
From May 2011:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,40345.msg223315.html#msg223315
From October 2009, where yellow-white spatter joined in at the mid point:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29585.msg160264.html#msg160264
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Well friend this is the reply I got from Moser.
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Dear Mrs. Clark, thank you for your e-mail and the sent pictures. We appreciate your interest in Moser products very much. I have forwarded your pictures to the identification department and unfortunately I have to inform you that this vase was not produced by Moser glassworks as the design and used techniques do not correspond to the moser production. The specialist has no idea where this special vase had been produced. I am sorry I couldn´t provide you better information but I do hope to be more helpful to you next time. Best regards
Veronika Zvonarova
Customer Service
I guess that settles it, but I am still stumped about what this vase really is. Groan :spls: :ho: :phew:
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Bohemian late 1800s/early 1900s is as good as you are going to get. There is so much production from that region and period we know little about and probably never will. It also seems very likely this yellow spatter stuff was produced by several glassworks.
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Having a host of small scale decorators working here and there does not help simplify the picture either. :spls:
John
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well again thank you all so much. I really appreciate all the time you have spent with me on this vase.
God bless you all :hi:
Kathy
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sympathies Kathy - the world of glass collecting does provide these disappointments, on occasions - the up side being that many of us learn things along the way, with threads like yours. I'm an atheist by the way, so I don't think I can be 'blessed' ;)
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Hello Kathy - it has been suggested to me that my very last comment may (possibly) have been a little less than gracious - there was no intention that it should be so, but if you thought my words rude or un-called for, my apologies. (I'm sure you didn't really) :) Just my sense of humour.
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Not to worry Paul. I am not easily offended. Besides for those of us who are not athiests , we believe if you bless somebody, and they don't recieve it, we get the blessing back on ourselves. So you just blessed me not knowing it. Ha. Thanks. :thup: