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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on October 02, 2011, 03:34:15 PM
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I'm completely stumped on this one. I have searched as much as possible and cannot find a lead. Rather irritatingly it is marked but so very faintly that I absolutely cannot work out what the pressed mark on the base says. There are two marks, I feel the one on top may read Rd No ??????(however it just as well could be me seeing things) therefore I thought this might be British, but no idea about the one on the base which seems to be a name of some sort possibly having the letters MANI somewhere in there? I've tried various angles, tracing and rubbing it onto paper and nothing forthcoming, but it is definitely marked round the base in perhaps some kind of indented rectangle?
So, I think this is a lampbase, it has a neat, 'always been there' kind of hole in the back of the head and a very neat slot in the back for the wire to run back out and down. There is a small notch further down that the wire would sit against I think. It is beautifully pressed, faint press marks down the two sides.
If you have any thoughts or leads for me to look at I would much appreciate it :sun:
Many thanks
m
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would it make sense if it had an Rd No on it that ended in a letter? If so I think the number is 145???K or X perhaps - I think this must date it to around 1880?
:help:
m
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perhaps thyey are related to these two who have also escaped identification for years.
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Hi Ivo
Are yours lamps as well? do they have impressed marks anywhere on them, mine are round the base bit, but my base looks as though it is made to slot into another base much like a flower frog with lady type thing.
m
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no marks anywhere, but possibly part of a light fixture - or even car mascot.
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hmm, I hadn't thought of car mascot!! thanks. So on my piece, the support strut might go up through the piece and come out at the head and have a knobble on it to screw to the support which rests against the top of the head. And the notch or groove might be so the strut could rest securely, and the base may sit inside a metal something fixed to the bonnet?
Right ho, off to have another trawl. EDITED TO ADD - aaah but...I've just had another thought, if the reg no is right it would date to perhaps 1880 in which case would it be a car mascot? More things to look up :)
thanks again
m
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Luckily the are collectors of mascots who are very knowledgeable and will share what they know. I just don' t have the link right now.
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Ivo in relation to your two I found this: A Webb Corbett bust for Churchill (just in case the link disappears), so maybe Webb Corbett might be a maker to look at? Just a lead perhaps.
http://www.fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/resultsLotDetails.asp?lotsID=66779&menuItemOn=2&salesID=103&hasImage=1
I will look up the car mascot peeps and see if they can venture anything further. The words on the back of mine, now definitely read for sure Rd No, but I cannot get any further than that and I think the last 'numbers' actually appear to be a word or letters, which would make the rd number very short.
The words underneath are totally illegible via any means but may spell the name of the figure I'm guessing
m
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I always use this site when I'm looking for car mascots: http://www.mascot-mania.co.uk/ find the Glass section, then have a look at the drop down menu...there's some great glass mascots out there! :D
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Max that's a fantastic resource - beautiful mascots :o
I'm not sure mine was a mascot to be honest. I 'm still leaning towards some sort of lamp thing.
m
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A couple of questions -
1) I'm pretty sure this has RD NO and the a number on the sticky out ring of the base at the back. If this does have an RD NO could it only have been made in the UK or are there other countries that would have used this mechanism RD NO for marking?
2) could this figure be Antinous? The British museum have a bust of Antinous facing this way in their collection I think.
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I'm aware I'm answering my own questions here ;D but having looked up the registered design numbers the answer to my question 1) is no, it doesn't have to be a British manufacturer at least as far as I can see.
I can only just make out that there is a number there and it appears to read 140008 although all of that is possibly questionable. If it did, that would date it to 1880s I think. I think that is too early for a lampbase isn't it?
and could it read Made in Germany at that time? (possible for the letters) - I'd have thought not.
m
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...would date it to 1880s I think. I think that is too early for a lampbase isn't it?
and could it read Made in Germany at that time? (possible for the letters) - I'd have thought not.
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1 1880s Gas, Oil and candle for all of which you can find elaborate things
2 No
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Thanks Frank. So my initial thoughts were it must have been for a lamp, with the back two holes for the wire to run through. However, I suppose the holes could have been there for a metal or other 'rod' to go through so with something attached at the top ? but then there is no hole for the rod (presuming rigid) to insert in the base of the glass. I remain convinced that this is part of a lamp for now and that the holes and groove in the outside of the base were for the wire to thread through or sit snugly against. I think it's quite early, but obviously not 1880's - so annoying the reg no is virtually invisible presumably from the satinising process.
m
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Clock decoration is another possibility.
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ok thanks. I'll keep trawling. The base of it is ground and it looks as though it is supposed to slot into some kind of base stand iykwim, where it would sit immersed up to the first ridge?
m
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Ivo, complete shot in the dark here but could yours be Princess Alexandra of Denmark?
http://www.artvalue.com/auctionresult--forup-carl-1883-1939-denmark-portrait-of-princess-alexandra-3004170.htm
Probably not but the hair and the way it is done in your figure reminded me of that.
m
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Hey that is a clever find - after all that time. Would the guy in the beard be Edward 7 then?
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well, I don't know :-[
I had a search but he looks quite a bit older than her in your figures and I don't know if there was that disparity in ages? She was very young when she wore her hair like that and in later years I couldn't find a picture of her hair in the same way.
I think it's possibly her because her hair was done in that particular style with the partings and rolls, but I wasn't sure if your he figure was Edward VII, he doesn't look like he is to me.
What did her father look like? could it be her father maybe? Perhaps made for the Danish market?
m
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They were only three years apart but it is possible HRH didn't like her later photos (she was 60 when she became queen) and would only permit that portrait to be used as a model. Edward too looks younger
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Her father looked like this - unfortunately
http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/ECE1038973/denmark-offered-itself-to-germany/
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Nice curls 8)
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Ivo, it's a complete long shot but in the book Das Bohmische Glas band III Historismus, page 141 shows a bearded male figure full length on a square plinth. He is not your figure, but the description says:
'III. 186 Figurenplastik
Glasschmelze und Pressvorgang Firma Joz. Riedel, Polaun, vermutlich 1878
H 17,5 cm
Inv. No. Ho 65 261
Vollplastische Figur. Friedrich Ludwig Jahns.
sich auf einen Baumstumpf stutzend; massives Kristallglas, stemelgepresst und nachveredelt: Pressnahte verschliffen, Oberflache sauremattiert und teils anpoliert.'
It goes on further but I've just lost all I typed grrrr.
'Ref - Lit: Baumgartner 1981, Abb.368 - Se'
So that might be worth following up?
m
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We discussed Riedel's "Turnvater Jahn" in 2006:
Michael's images are still available (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8631.0.html) :)
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ah thank you Pamela :)
m
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Ivo looking at the front on photo of this model page 9 of the link, your model could also be Kaiserin Elisabeth von Österreich
(or page 7 I'm not sure about the page numbering on this link, I'm sorry)
http://www.pressglas-korrespondenz.de/aktuelles/pdf/pk-2005-2w-sg-riedel-kaiserin-elisabeth.pdf
the front on photo is very similar in look
Your link here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=43581.0;attach=129627;image
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