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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: sceaj on October 10, 2011, 01:27:47 AM
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I'm new to the forum and to class collecting. I have this unusual vase that I like, but have no idea what it might be. I was thinking Murano when I bought it, but I haven't seen anything similar
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Good morning and welcome to the glass board.
It seems you have an interesting vase there, consisting of an opal glass body with applied aventurine. Unfortunately the photographs are a bit unclear. You have used a large format and reduced them - but not in size. Now there is not a lot of detail left, just a lot of blur.
Hopefully you can redo the pix so they are maybe smaller but have more detail? If you can, please also include a shot of the underside.
At first glance it is not possible to say where your vase is from with any degree of certainty. Murano is just one of the many possibilities.
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Welcome. You need to start with a high resolution picture and then resize it so that the longest dimension is about 600 pixels (this works for pix that start off at 3-4 MB). Don't reduce the resolution.
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With the photos you put here it is very difficult to see the finish of this vase.
I have seen vases with very similar aventurine but without handles for sale new, in my local indoor market, made in China.
The shape of the base is very similar to some things possibly ID'd as Lafiore elsewhere on these pages.
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Sorry about the photos, and thanks for the advice. I hope this is better. The Laflore example I found was different, but close enough that I will explore that some more. Thanks
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It may not be but it reminds me quite a bit of the vase in this link.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41666.msg231021.html#msg231021
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In these new photos the base is totally different to the Lafiore ...
There are aventurine experts in this forum so stand by for some valuable info quite soon.
The white part is quite distinctive. Someone may recognise that.
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There are similarities but 'lucky Tiffany guy' (?) didn't provide a base photo for us to compare. He did describe it as ground. This one is clearly not ground.
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the base photo was further down the thread.
As I said, I could be wrong, it was just that there seemed to be similarities so I thought it would be worth mentioning this thread :sun:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,41666.msg231169.html#msg231169
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I have found several retailers in the US that handle Dale Tiffany, including JC Penny which is a respectable department store that is in every town in America. I found a bunch of vases using similar techniques, but not this particular one. One source for this brand is here. http://www.onewayfurniture.com/dale-tiffany-pg50050.html
Thanks again
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Dale Tiffany is a red herring because it is extremely unlikely that the company actually manufactures any glass, though it may assemble lamps (read both pages of the other thread. The website uses a a careful selection of vague words) and have items designed in-house made to order. It wouldn't surprise me if your vase was Chinese. The "gold" is not gold, it is copper aventurine.
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So, Dale Tiffany is a brand who rebrand items like M&S, IKEA ... the point is to dig that little further to get to the manufacturer.
I think the base of this and Dale Tiffany vase are the thing that set these 2 apart from what we can see.
I don't know and am only taking a guess from a very limited amount of stuff that I have seen with my own eyes: Chinese, like those I have seen in my local indoor market. I went back today and surprise, surprise, they were gone.
There was something similar, on another thread that people thought to be Japanese. I can't remember. I think it was last week and it was aventurine ... will have a look ... scrub that ... misremembered! http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42110.msg242219.html#msg242219
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To add to Christine's post...Dale Tiffany & for that matter Tiffany & Co. (not to be confused with Tiffany studios) is a Mikasa type operation as they purchase glass from multiple suppliers worldwide & in the majority of cases best of luck trying to attribute most anything they handle to a specific manufacturer.
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If the firm is designing the glass then it is the firms glass, if they buy finished products it is the manufacturers design, It must be that way or, for example, all of Dresser's glass is no longer Dresser. As to many later products of Edinburgh Crystal and Waterford were actually made overseas. Then a lot of glass registered in the earlier 20th century by UK factors is often sold under the factors name. It is an added bonus to track the producing factory too, but essentially they were just fulfilling a contract. China remains a red flag to many but is an emerging force in glass under its own banner.
Also as people buy/collect based on design then the age of the piece starts to become less relevant.
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The "brand" thing is fine. Many "branded" glass and china items develop value and collectability in the secondary market. It's the non-exclusive stuff, which may, however, be labelled, that is more problematic. Commissions always have been and always will be bread and butter to manufacturers.
Buy what you like and enjoy. If you can't find a "name" to apply to it, why worry? Look on any extra information as a bonus.