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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on October 16, 2011, 03:05:05 PM
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This is pretty unusual as far as I can see as I've not been able to find out anything about it nor a similar item - although that may just be my searching skills :-[
Does anyone have a clue on this please?
It's chipped and bashed about and I don't think it is new by any stretch, but filled with short stemmed flowers I think it might look good on the Christmas table - I'm assuming it's for flowers ?
Many thanks for looking and for any ideas forthcoming :sun:
m
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I don't know who did that particular posy trough but you can see another in a heart shape at the top of this page
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-designs-by-date/molineaux-webb-1887-1892
Go back one to the page for 1885 and you can see a castle & ramparts posy trough set.
http://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-designs-by-date/molineaux-webb-1885
Maybe yours is also of a similar date?
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Neil :hiclp: thank you for pointing that page out :) I went to that site, and had a look through what I thought were all the pics - I hadn't realised that 'Registered Designs' would include pics, I just thought it would be design numbers so didn't think to click on it :-[
Well, I can't say for sure, but do you think the heart looks as though it may be the same pattern? the dots and the ridges/ribs?
Thanks again for your help.
m
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Would seem to be Edward Moore - see Hajdamach 'British Glass 1800 - 1914', page 350 - what do you think m. :)
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Oh Paul , thank you for looking for me - :cry: I haven't got that one, I've only the later one. It's on my hit list, but is going to be a wait unfortunately (maybe Christmas if I can find one).
Does it give a date at all please? and thank you for sharing. I do appreciate it.
m
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I've had a quick look round and it seems that Davidson bought many of Edward Moore's moulds. So could it also be Davidson then if it matches?
Many thanks
m
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yes, you could be correct, possibly. I had in fact already typed the following, so will let it stand.
hope I don't get into copyright trouble for quoting, but here goes................the caption to the illustation says........"Two pages of designs for pressed glass by Edward Moore published in the Pottery Gazette 1st December 1888."
So presumably registered either on, or prior to that date. The illustration shows a variety of similar pillar designed shapes, for smallish to medium posy troughs, boxes, tricorn containers, plus two different sized swans.
Can add that............."Pressed glass by the Moore factory does not carry a trade mark, and there is some confusion about whether the Webb registration diamonds appear on the later Moore pressings".
This factory was, apparently, destroyed completey by fire on 4th July 1891, although did restart the following May. After the final closure of the Moore factory in 1913, it would seem that all the moulds were again transferred, this time to the Davidson factory.
Hope this of interest. :)
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Looks like there was a rush to make these things in the 1880s then. Just checked the Hajdamach book and I see Moore did a swan as well, just like Molineaux Webb and Burtles & Tate around the same time...
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Thank you both so very much! I really really appreciate your help and information. This is way outside anything I know about so it's very helpful and I shall go and investigate further if I can.
I have to say it's quite a cute piece, I think it will look great used on the table and by candlelight.
Forgot measurements - it is 11 7/8th" long by 2" wide by 4 3/8th" high.
m
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I found this one m , but you might already have seen it:
http://www.museum.bristolblueglass.com/flower-troughs-ca-1890-possibly-sowerby/
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Hello Rosie - an illustration, of your linked half circle, is not in fact shown in Hajdamach, on that particular page of shapes about which we were speaking. There is, however, a part cirlcle example of posy shown - and who knows, maybe the artist was having an off day, and maybe it is meant to be the full half circle item. Did you understand all that? not sure I did ;D
Wish they had always used Rd. Nos. or diamonds.
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For what its worth VSL show similar (not the same) in their 1963 cat as 'Pont' amongst the other table troughs. So other makers were probably still knocking them out then too.
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oh you do know how to deflate a person Frank ;D
Rosie, thank you for that :)
I'm still hanging onto that 1880 date - Paul, sorry to ask again, but is my bridge actually featured in those pages in CH? or just similar items please?
hmm, actually even if it does, that could still possibly leave Davidson with the mould though - and they could have made them in the '60s I guess. However, in my favour I would have thought there may have been more of them around and about if they had.
m
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There are two photos of pages from the Pottery Gazette dated 1st December 1888, showing a bunch of designs. One looks exactly like yours M, although the image is tiny the overall shape, the feet and the 'rope twist' rim all match, the catalogue number is 738.
Paul, how did you spot that?
John
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do. Portieux '33 same ribbing but no feet... have to find the cat to see if they had the feet.
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nothing very clever, I'm afraid - quite basic really - with a question like this I simply hit those books that contain images of pressed pieces - and Hajdamach is one of those I would automatically refer to. After a while, you tend to know which volumes will provide (or not) some worthwhile data on certain glass types - and for something like this I'd go to Thompson (plus supplement), Slack, Lattimore, Hajdamach, the Stewarts although not necessarily in that order. From what I could see, it is only Hadjamach that provides an image of what appears to be this one. I quite like this piece, it's unusual, and rather quircky. Probably difficult m, but can you detect any wear in the usual 'high spot' places?
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John thank you for that, I'm off to have a look to see if I can find it.
Frank, I can actually imagine these being used in the 30's just, but my head's still with 19th century at the mo given we now have pictures that match it. I must investigate Davidson a bit more though. If these kind of things were popular this century then perhaps they may have done a reissue.
Paul, thanks again for taking so much interest. There is some wear on the outer feet which are the ones that really sit flat, however both have some brown stuff stuck to them, indicating it had padded feet probably to stop scratching, so that's a bit of a non-starter on this one unfortunately for clues.
m :sun:
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Hi m! :hi:
Saw this whilst I was looking for the maker of my gazelle.......it is in Pamelas Musterbuch....Anik drew attention to the website for the makers of the little glass figures....wheels within wheels eh?
http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/Meisenthal-1907.124.0.html
I know they are not the same as yours, but there is a huge similarity and may even be ones you have already seen.
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Thanks Rosie :) not the same, but dated 1907 - so we have a range of dates for popularity stretching 80years ;D
I need to go and do some looking on Davidson to see if they reissued the Edward Moore mould for this.
m
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Now another topic link at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,54633.new.html#new
cross-linking with many of the posts in this particular topic.
Fred.