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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on October 27, 2011, 02:15:52 PM
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I've been searching for this and not come up with anything other than thoughts that are in the title. It reminds me of a bowl (brides? bowl) that has been attributed to Harrach if I remembered correctly.
Graduated lemony green to clear, with a gorgeous edging (some damage on some points).
How is that edging done so beautifully, does anyone know?
How is the colouring done so it graduates clear to the green? is it like the red to clear pieces, done in a similar way?
Overshot glass on the outside smooth on the inside.
Has 6 bulbous ribs making up the top of the shade.
Fitter rim diameter 1 1/20th" or 27mm, drop 9.5cm diameter 15cm, 4 'panels' or swags of glass down and 4 up.
thanks for looking :sun:
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Only thing I can say is that I believe you are correct in your thinking it was at one time a bowl later modified into a shade & certainly not the first time I've seen this type of modification usually on piece originally damaged.
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That's interesting. I actually didn't think it was an adapted bowl to be honest. It was just that the overshot, frilliness, and graduated colour reminded me of a brides bowl I'd seen. I think the design and shape look as though it was originally made as a lampshade. There is a definite ribbed bulged section that looks as though it would go around the lamp bulb and sit properly surrounding it, and then the frilled edge. The fitter rim looks appropriately done and is ground and bevelled. Interesting though....I shall explore that option more as well. Thanks :sun:
m
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I don't think it was a bowl; the base isn't wide enough. The green looks like uranium! We had a triangular handled dish with that sort of fancy cut and crimp a while ago. No ID though
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Christine, my blacklight isn't working that well, but unfortunately no I don't think it is uranium glass - it does look like it should be though even in daylight.
I also am pretty sure as you say, that this was designed as a lamp shade. It would just practically fall over as a bowl as the base is only the size of the fitter rim, about as big as a large pontil mark, and the frilled edges would overbalance it.
The crimp is lovely, presumably done with a gadget of some sort?
Do you have pics of the triangular bowl, or was it on the gmb somewhere? I feel this is possibly Bohemian, but the bulge ribs make me think of Kralik pieces, yet the overshot, graduated colour and frills make me think Harrach (because it reminds me of that bowl). Bit of a mystifier this one.
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I found it but the crimp wasn't even close, though that was hand done. Your is definitely mechanically aided.
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:angel: :angel:
This style of lampshade is often known to be French - some have a cranberry/pink tinge. I don't know if that will help in your search but usually sold on eBay by people living in France. Very attractive!
angel2
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French ones are probably mostly new(ish) certainly in the 1980s you saw these everywhere in Paris markets along with all sorts of other shades that are sold as old... it made Christopher Wrays, also new, look expensive.
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Hi Frank
confused :-\ are you thinking my overshot one is new'ish'? I feel sure it isn't :-X :ooh:
Thanks angel 2 :) I'm not entirely convinced this is French though.
m
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Ok before I dig myself into a hole :) isn't a French fitter rim width wider than 27mm normally (27mm is standard for GB fitter rims).
m
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Unlikely as the size was standardized in the late 1800s - it was a monopoly, by the time that expired no-one could change the standard. Gas shades can be a different size.
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ok,thanks. It doesn't have a flare at the rim so it wasn't meant to sit in a metal rim with screws into it. It was obviously meant to sit in a straight screw on fitting. If it was newish, who would be making glass with this kind of crimped rim recently? Wouldn't it have been a long process to do that finish and that rim? Does that fit with more recent production methods?
found a fab site if anyone wants to browse through beautiful lighting :sun:
http://www.jonesantiquelighting.com/ceiling-lights-c-22.html?page=34&sort=2a
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At that time I dealt and studied lighting, I was shocked at the shades I saw in Paris as there was little to distinguish them from older ones other than the bar-code labels. But bear in mind I was not very well versed on glass at that time so I could not say what would be distinguishing characteristics. Not hard to make if you can get a machine to do it.
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just coming back to this as I was looking for my vase and came across a possibly interesting article.
I am pretty sure this lampshade is an old one and whilst I can't now find my reference, I did come across a bowl with this or very similar edges - can't find it again at the moment, but I think it was plain glass, same edging.
Anyway, this article (linked below) states that:
- most early pieces of overshot glass were clear,
- American overshot glass was never made with the blending of colors such as amberina and that this blending was done in England
- all of the colored overshot glass (but not the blending of colours overshot) was done in Czechoslovakia -
the source is 'Stan and Arlene Weitman article Overshot Glass'
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles/article021.shtml
So on this basis my lampshade (blended lemon-green and clear) would be English - I'm not sure I'm totally convinced of that though.
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My apologies, I corrected my post above as I found a further article from the authors that was more descriptive, but the revision seems not to have 'stuck' and my post was left as I originally wrote it.
I think on rereading, my lampshade 'could' be English or Bohemian I guess
further article here:
http://www.theglassmuseum.com/overshot.htm
m
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pretty certain this could be (is? I can't be bothered to search any more for the pattern number)
Schreiber and Neffen
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