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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => Scandinavian Glass => Topic started by: Pinkspoons on March 02, 2006, 02:19:19 PM
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I have to admit, I'm reasonably new when it comes to collecting Holmegaard's cased glass output, and so my knowledge is as patchy as my collection! :lol:
As I understand it, though, Palet was an early 1970's kitchenware range designed by Michael Bang and it included mugs, spice jars, cruets, bowls, etc...
And Carnaby was earlier, initially designed by Lutken then expanded by other designers (Christer Holmgren to name but one), and was composed of trendy-shaped vases aimed at the 'yoof' market of then...
Many eBay auctions - and especially books - seem to be a bit pick 'n' mix with which name they use, though. And sometimes it's 'Palet' and other times it's 'Palette'.
Understandably, I'm confused. Are my initial assumptions wrong?
What I think of as Carnaby (The white vase is in Miller's 50's & 60's glass as Palette):
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/hg-carnaby.jpg)
And Palet:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/hg-palet.jpg)
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You're right about Palet which was designed 1970/71 and produced in Odense.
Carnaby was from 1968, also produced in Odense and designed by Lütken. However, it is not cased. The book shows 2 examples, very much in the pompadour style, in ruby red.
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Which book? Miller's Glass of the '50s & 60s only has one Pompadour-style vase from Holmegaard, and that's the white vase I have, but in red.
Are the vases also Palet, then? All three of mine are cased in clear or coloured glass.
Argh, it's really frustrating asking such basic questions! Hopefully I'll have a copy of Glass Is Life before the month is out, and in a fantasy world I'll stumble across Dansk Glas at a sane price. :lol:
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The book, as before, is Dansk Glas 1925-1975. I'd guess the colour cased wares are all "Palet" by Michel Bang.
The example you found in Nigel's book is actually captioned "Palette vase by Per Lütken".
The true Carnaby vases are these:
(http://i2.tinypic.com/ousbqu.jpg)
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Just had a look through Glass is Life and I don't think it's going to help re this - one uncaptioned picture on page 36 of this type (red, uncased).
taylog1
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I've seen these shapes cased and described as Carnaby, though.
Somewhere I've a scan from a Holmegaard catalogue and it shows these designs on the same pages as the designs for the vases I have.
Would it be against copyright things to show them?
I've never actually seen them for sale uncased, though. Wow.
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Ah, I don't have to post them myself:
AUCTION (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-CARNABY-VASES-design-Luetken-Holmgren-Holmegaard_W0QQitemZ7390854637QQcategoryZ29563QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Could it be that they're still Carnaby, just a later cased glass version - as happened with the Gulvase?
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Also, a stylistic feature of the Palet kitchenware range is that all the pieces have their own moulded pedestals/feet:
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/hg-palet-base.jpg)
Would that not continue on the vases, which all have Carnaby-style flat bases, to some degree? And again with the angular Palet rims not being shared by the vases
I'm not trying to be difficult, honest. :D
As a secondary question - is there a reason that the uncased Carnaby vases never seem to come onto the market?
I read somewhere long ago that production of Carnaby ran for 8 years, and that auction says 7 years... so... my completely unfounded specualtion is that the production of Carnaby changed from uncased to cased early on - probably when Palet took off - accounting for the large numbers of cased items in the patterns you showed and the gold-dust quality of the uncased ones.
Possibility or pure hokum?
Edit: In Glass of the '50s & '60s there's a reference to Carnaby being cased on pg. 28 when Nigel says that the cased Blenko piece could easily be mistaken for it.
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I'm not trying to be difficult, honest. :D
sorry the only thing I can positively identify as Carnaby are the two uncased ruby red vases I showed you underneath. But as the auction said
According to old catalogue-material from Holmegaard the Carnaby-series consists of at least 14 different items - all manufactured in opal/opal and 5 colours: coral/opal, orange/opal, blue/opal, yellow/opal and yellow/yellow.
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No problem. Hopefully someone out there might have the answer. :)
Will be interesting to find out.
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Ah, I'd forgotten about this thread.
I was talking to a serious Holmegaard collector at a fair a month or so ago, and he said, according to the catalogues and archive materials, the cased vases are indeed Carnaby, and were in production (in their cased versions) from 1969/70-1975. Production of the uncased versions lasted a little over a year from 1968.
The kitchenware/tableware is Palet, and the Palet range didn't incorporate any vases whatsoever. All pieces from the Palet range share that moulded foot design.
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Thread is interesting but a liittle confusion, can another post be added organising pics as Palet and Carnaby? Also was Nigels attribution in error or not?
Auction picture has gone but you can use the catalogue image here.
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No problem.
This is Carnaby, circa 1968-1970:
Uncased (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/carnabydansk.jpg)
This is Carnaby, circa 1969/70-1975:
Carnaby Cased (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/carnaby.jpg)
Carnaby catalogue pages:
Page One (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/carnabycatalogue2.jpg)
Page Two (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/carnabycatalogue1.jpg)
It seems that the yellow on yellow and white on white vases were only produced until 1971 at the latest, thus their general scarcity today.
This is Palet, circa 1970/71:
Palet (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/hg-palet.jpg)
Palet Moulded Foot (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/hg-palet-base.jpg)
It does look like Nigel has used the wrong name in his book.
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If the text of this auction is anything to go by, it would seem that Leslie Pina also calls Carnaby "Pallet"...
Auction (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250046596263)
I don't have the books in question, does anyone else have them to hand?
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Hi Nic,
The vase you linked to on ebay, or one of similar form, isn't actually pictured on pg 24 of Smoke & Ice.
It does say that:
Holmegaard gulvases from the "Pallet" series designed by Michael Bang around 1968: bottle form vases with narrow cylindrical necks and disc-like rims in opaque white glass, cased in clear glass; h 14-1/2 in. 10 in.
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Oh dear, well that info is right off. The Gulvase hails from 1962 and was designed by Otto Brauer.
The cased ones, as far as I've gathered, were a Lutken adaptation and predate the Palet range by at least 3 years.
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Hi Nic,
It also states in another paragraph, pg 24 Smoke & Ice:
The form was first designed by Otto Brauer in 1962, however, the pieces were produced in coloured transparent glass. In 1968 Michael Bang reproduced the same form in white opaque glass, cased with strongly coloured "ovelays." This experiment resulted in the "Pallet" series, to which these cased gulvase belong.
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*phew* Not totally wrong, then. :lol: But still not wholly correct. Carnaby pre-dates Palet, and if anything was the result of casing the Gulvase, I would say it would have been the casing of the Carnaby range, pre-dating Palet by a year or so.
Stylistically, too, the Gulvase has more in common with Carnaby than Palet, as Carnaby had softer more organic lines. Palet was very angular.
It's amazing, isn't it, how three quite popular ranges of glass created such a relatively short time ago can be so enshrouded in confusion? :? :lol:
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see cafe spinoff...
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8146.0.html
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Just to verify and expand on some of the dates (which were educated guesses) mentioned in previous posts - Carnaby was cased in 1969, when the range consisted of the larger pieces in opal on opal (white on white), until other colours (and smaller shapes) were introduced in 1970. Yellow/yellow colourway was only produced until 1971, which is when opal/opal ceased production too.
The yellow/opal combination, however, seems to have continued until round about 1975.
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Just wanted to get some feedback about this tall cased vase. I have seen this vase before in different sizes (this is 27cm high) and different colours (yellow and a deeper red, this is a red/orange). Two of the vases I saw had the Holmegaard labels so I am more or less sure this is part of their production. But where do they belong? Carnaby it ain't and Palet was more a kitchen ware line, wasn't it? :help:
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f115/twenty21/DSCN0039.jpg)
Thanks for your help
Carlo
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I suggest you consult a coule of Danish sites:-
http://www.glashistoriskselskab.dk/ Danish Glass Museum
OR
http://www.HarderNet.dk A great Holmegaard & Danish glass site
The later is very helpful to polite requests.
Ross
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'Rainbow' series, designed by Michael Bang in 1973.
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Thanks Pinkspoons ;-)
Was this the only shape which was part of this range?
Cheers C
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I believe so - but it had a range of sizes and colours.