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Title: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: goyjus on October 28, 2011, 09:09:41 PM

any thoughts appreciated...

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: Frank on October 28, 2011, 11:42:16 PM

comes close to Hibernia... but it is not. Will have another look next time I find the catalogue again  :huh:

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 29, 2011, 09:27:34 AM

It has a lot of features in common with this Waterford decanter, dated 1830. (pic. taken in the Ulster Museum of Belfast last week).

The rim is quite different though - in the museum one it's cut to give vertical edges. It is very sun-purpled - that's not my bad photography!

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: Frank on October 29, 2011, 10:39:15 AM

But remains fundamentally different from that, yours has uncut areas, I am assuming yours is cut. Are the neck rings on yours applied or moulded? The ones in the museum have applied rings, the Waterford ones are moulded rings.

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 29, 2011, 10:47:15 AM

 :spls:
The Museum one is id'd by the Museum as being Waterford, Frank. It's not an attribution - other things there were labelled "attributed to Waterford", but not this decanter.
(shame it's a lousy pic, but taken through thick glass in bad lighting conditions for photography - and my control over the camera's focussing leaves much to be desired.)

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: Frank on October 29, 2011, 11:38:51 AM

I avoided using Waterford for the antique one as it is confusing, better to use company names so Penrose Glass House based in Waterford for antique and  Waterford Glass Ltd., Waterford Crystal Inc in the US for modern. Using the town name alone is misleading and generally stems from old books that never bothered with the company names. There may well have been other glassworks in Waterford than Penrose but these are only inferred to in the old books.

The lower part differs too and the panel is more in keeping with modern adaption of the style.

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: chopin-liszt on October 29, 2011, 11:47:10 AM

Not being au fait with cut or old glass, Frank, I didn't know there was anything other than Waterford being Waterford, and certainly not outside of Eire!
(Apart, obviously, from the recent stuff Marquis contracted out to Poland etc.)

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: Frank on October 29, 2011, 01:21:05 PM

Here is a fairly complete Irish glass bibliography with descriptions of contents, I have a few of those but really need Thorpe and Westropp

http://www.glass-study.org/biblio/index.php?action=listKeywordProcess&id=147

Title: Re: Is this a Waterford design?
Post by: goyjus on October 29, 2011, 02:16:10 PM

Cheers all. Much appreciated.