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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Trinket Sets => Topic started by: Lustrousstone on October 30, 2011, 02:21:24 PM

Title: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: Lustrousstone on October 30, 2011, 02:21:24 PM: I found these with some bits of Walther Mary but couldn't find them when I searched the catalogues. Then I found this on ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Walther-Peach-Pink-Glass-Scent-Bottle-vgc-/150686921483

Is there any catalogue proof?
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Lustrousstone on November 15, 2011, 02:36:54 PM: Bump and updated ebay link
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150697045302
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: pamela on November 15, 2011, 06:11:10 PM: :hi: Christine,
never saw these bottles here - can't vote for Walther, sorry
:t:
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Lustrousstone on November 16, 2011, 07:31:31 AM: Thanks Pamela. Seems like they must have been put together in a set by the retailer or perhaps a special order. The colour match is very good.
Title: Uranium Pressed glass Trinket set - Diamond Point and Hobstar ID please
Post by: mikebonne on February 27, 2012, 08:40:04 PM: Hello all.

Does anyonme recognise the maker of this set please/ it is very thick solid glass and is big diamond point with a row of Hobstars across the tray and all the other pieces have a hobstar on them somewhere. Really stunning and lights up a treat under UV light. it looks similar to some Sowerby ones but I cannot find it in their catalogues I have on disk

Thanks Markus
Title: Re: Uranium Pressed glass Trinket set - Diamond Point and Hobstar ID please
Post by: Anne on February 27, 2012, 09:46:12 PM: Christine and I discussed these a while ago and we think it's Sowerby: http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue_list39-12.htm (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue_list39-12.htm) - our suspicion is that the pattern was amended slightly from the catalogue drawings. We've not seen the version shown in the catalogue yet.
Title: Re: Uranium Pressed glass Trinket set - Diamond Point and Hobstar ID please
Post by: mikebonne on February 27, 2012, 10:22:05 PM: Thanks for that and it looks like its just the tray that has been amended. There is one hobstar o the front of the candlesticks and that looks the same. It is a big heavy set.

All the best. Markus
Title: Re: Uranium Pressed glass Trinket set - Diamond Point and Hobstar ID please
Post by: Anne on February 27, 2012, 11:43:48 PM: They are seriously chunky Markus! I have pieces in clear and in uranium green (the latter courtesy of Christine), and I've seen examples in pink and blue, but so far none in amber. They come in frosted and plain colours, and there are two style of pot: one with a finial and one without.
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Jayne on June 17, 2013, 02:10:19 AM: I have seen these bottles several times with Walther Roland and Mary items, another one just sold.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-DECO-URANIUM-GLASS-DRESSING-TABLE-SET-/111093751497?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item19ddb41ec9&nma=true&si=RUnFih%252BwH9CNgIPsuL9HFhRYv34%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Eugénie on June 23, 2013, 09:53:47 AM: The whole set, included the bottles, is for sale now on eBay.

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/ART-DECO-VASELINE-GREEN-GLASS-TRINKET-SET-TRAY-POT-RING-TREE-PERFUME-1833B2-/321146833139?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item4ac5d7c8f3

Herewith a photo of the matching, diamond-shaped, ring holders. So there is a set in clear glass too.
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Jayne on June 23, 2013, 10:12:35 AM: Interesting Eugenie, the set in your link is a Sowerby 2697 Set shown here in List 39. (http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue_list39-12.htm)

The cologne bottles certainly appear to match the Sowerby set stylistically, and do look like a possible match for Christine's bottles in the opening post.
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2013, 10:21:40 AM: It's interesting that the bottles turn up with Walther and Sowerby sets...
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Jayne on June 23, 2013, 10:35:28 AM: Yes Christine, I guess people are matching the uranium colour in both? The Ebay link has supersize images when you scroll down, you can get a really good look at the bottles. Are they the same as yours?
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2013, 10:58:15 AM: They have been seen in pink with Walther sets too, not just uranium. Those ones look much more green than mine, which is more typical of Walther. Walther had two shades of green uranium; the slightly more common yellowish shade http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1391 and a more greenish shade http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=486. Sowerby is generally a yellowish green uranium shade, which my bottles don't quite match; they are closer to Walther. I wonder if the 2697 really was manufactured by Sowerby or just marketed by them, as that might explain the discontinued. I was never totally convinced by the colour of 2697 bits I had (http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=355) and gave to Anne. In addition, they require bottle making equipment, which Walther had and I don't think Sowerby did. Finally, they have a mirror-polished base finish (typical of Inwald!!) and Sowerby's finishing is notoriously not the best.
Title: Re: Walther? cologne bottles
Post by: Anne on June 23, 2013, 02:49:03 PM: I wondered if that would also explain the discrepancy between the catalogue image of the tray and the trays that we see, and then realised I have a reference photo of the catalogue style one but I have no idea who it belongs to! :-\

See catalogue image here showing different tray pattern:
http://www.20thcenturyglass.com/glass_encyclopedia/glass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogues/sowerbyglass_catalogue_list39-12.htm

We also see two types of pots with this set - some with finials and some without, so it's either a mix and match set or different makers using moulds from the same source?

It's interesting that this set is only seen in the one catalogue list 39 hand-dated 1950s...
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: Anne on June 23, 2013, 02:51:19 PM: I've merged mikebonne's topic about the same pieces into this one to keep all the info together.
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: agincourt17 on June 23, 2013, 08:25:28 PM: Here is the ‘Sowerby 2697 variant?’ tray in clear glass, to go with Eugénie’s ringholder.
(Permission for the re-use of the image on GMB granted by bazza131313).

In addition, here is a part-set in peachy-pink glass (with ringholder), to add to the colourways, and dovetailing in with Christine’s statement
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They have been seen in pink with Walther sets too…
(Permission for the re-use of the image on GMB granted by Simone Newstead).

BTW, I have messaged the seller of the set from the eBay link in Eugénie’s reply #9 requesting permission to add some of the images to this thread as permanent references, and I hope to be able to post them in due course.

Fred.
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: Lustrousstone on June 23, 2013, 09:30:02 PM: Now that is an unSowerby shade IMHO
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: Anne on June 23, 2013, 09:49:00 PM: Isn't it just, Christine? It's more reminiscent of the colour of the mystery set #6 pots and of my Bagley Filey set...
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: agincourt17 on June 24, 2013, 09:03:43 AM: As promised , a selection of photos for permanent reference from the ebay listing
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321146833139&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321146833139&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:GB:1123)

(Permission for the re-use of these images on GMB granted by Lorie Randall)

Lorie gives the dimensions as:
1 x diamond shaped tray (about 38 cm x 29 cm)
1 x small lidded diamond shaped trinket pot (about 9 cm x 7 cm
1 x large lidded diamond shaped trinket pot (about 11 cm x 8.5 cm
1 x ring tree (9 cm x 7.5 cm)
2 x candlesticks (17 cm tall)
2 x diamond shaped perfume flasks / decanters with stoppers (16 cm tall)

Fred.
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: agincourt17 on June 24, 2013, 09:07:16 AM: The final 4 photos from the link.

Fred.
Title: Re: Sowerby or Walther or both?
Post by: Simba on July 29, 2013, 09:44:34 AM: I was very interested to see this discussion as I have a similar pattern trinket box in flint with a black glass lid...