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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: angel2 on November 06, 2011, 07:06:35 PM
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Hi all! :hi: Could anyone give a clue about the origin of this basket? Would it be Czech, Murano or the dreaded Chi ... I can't say it! There's a fair bit of age to it, weighs approx. 900g, 19cm or so height. TIA, :)
angel2
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Sorry one pic X 2
a2
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I've seen these described as Skrdlovice (Czech). Can't say for sure if that's accurate, but they look the part, so it could be a place to start looking.
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It's as Empoli Verde as it gets!
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Thanks Wayne and Ivo, much appreciated input. :hiclp: I think I'll look first at Empoli Verde.
a2
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Looked at Empoli Verde Ivo and it certainly could be. Mine does seem to be a much richer (deeper) hue than all those that I've seen as the verde is quite a 'washed out' green. The colour of verde does vary a little though. I'm nearly convinced - just not 100%. :-\
a2
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105%
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I should know better than to challenge Ivo's verdict :pb: and I will probably be proved wrong, but it still looks very Czech to me. I couldn't find anything exactly the same, but here's a couple of similar items:
Skrdlovice item on ebay, similar shape and dimples to the lower part, but different type of handle:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Skrdlovice-Czech-Glass-Atlas-Bowl-Jan-Kotic-/160673680189
Skrdlovice item from Czech Glass Review, different shape but same type of handle:
http://picasaweb.google.com/Jindra8526/Glasrevue19578?authkey=Gv1sRgCPPn2eids6j7FQ#5438395335829828018
The colour looks ok for Skrdlovice too I think, although their dark green is usually paired with a layer of amber.
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:hb2: Thanks Wayne, now I'm really confused. The no. 2 style you linked (J. Paric bless him) looks virtually identical. I couldn't ever discount Ivo's incredible breadth (and depth) of knowledge either. The colour of mine is so deep that it's putting a spanner in the works. The colour of the Verde I've viewed is definitely not the same - it has a very specific washed-out quality and veers towards blue. However, the monochrome green of mine isn't what I'd expect from Skrdlovice but what do I know? So grateful for help from you both as always. :-\
a2
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Jindra ! :help:
a2
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There were at least three different companies making verde. All are bottle green, and there are variations in them. Rossini is definitely the darkest, Vetreria Etrusca and Toso Bagnoli are lighter but all depends on the thickness of the glass.
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Had another close look at the finish and it seems the bottom is polished - which is ok for Rossini but not for the other Empoli makers where you would expect a polished out pontil mark - so perhaps it not cast in concete after all.
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Ah thanks Ivo, very useful for the future. I don't think mine is Verde but am keeping an open mind (specially as there's not much in it to fill it up!). Love you for all you contribute. :-*
a2
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Ivo, regarding Rossini, although they do sound very Italian, I think they are an importer rather than manufacturer?
Here's a vase which shows the Rossini label "Rossini Hand Made Genuine Empoli Glass Italy":
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rossini-Hand-Made-Empoli-Purple-Amethyst-Glass-Vase-Italy-Diamond-Vertical-Lines-/110756831483
Ok so far, but here's a bowl, with a Rossini label which reads "Rossini Crystal-Cut Made in Germany":
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ROSSINI-CRYSTAL-CUT-BOWL-MADE-GERMANY-/190591512142
Aside from being different colours, the shape of the labels and the logo's on them match. Might not be all that relevant to this thread, but I only noticed this very recently, so I thought I'd give you the heads up.
Edit - Rossini from Japan: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Gold-Accented-Black-Rossini-Japan-Glass-Peacock-/300608854907
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Hi, I just found this thread. This basket is not Skrdlovice but it does look very similar. The two links Wayne shows early in the thread are not Skrdlovice or this basket either. The first link saying Jan Kotik Skrdlovice is 1960's Karlovarske Sklo from around the time production of Mstisov was relocated to Karlovary Moser factory site. The second basket was produced at Palme Konig at a time (again) when the communist era organisers of glass production decided to initiate this kind of blown hunti sklo at that factory site for a short time. It looks a similar basket but it is not the same. I have not been able to identify a Czech producer for this basket that the thread is concerned with and if Ivo suggests an Italian origin with a degree of certainty I would not have an issue about that. In the 1960's many factories made similar items when a commercial market appeared for a design and sometimes the similarities make attribution a difficult task.....
Robert (bOBA)
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Thanks so much Robert. :hiclp: I'm going to sell - knowing Ivo's remarkable span of knowledge, would you therefore be confident to state that it WAS Empoli Verde if Ivo says so? I mean no disrespect to Ivo at all, I'm concerned not to mislead people, that's all, and in my experience of eBay, people can be rather easily misled. But not by me, look ... :angel: !!!!!
a2
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Ah well, told you I would be proved wrong! ;) If Ivo is convinced it's Empoli, and Robert is convinced it's not Czech, then I would go with their judgement. Meanwhile I need to go and learn German and Czech, so I can understand the Czech Glass Reviews better...
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Wayne, I appreciate anyone's effort in trying to help and I learn something whether info is right or wrong. It's all very useful in its own way. :-*
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