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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Pinkspoons on November 30, 2011, 01:41:35 PM
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I picked this up because I was sure I'd seen the effect before (and because I rather like it - increasingly a secondary reason!), but I can't seem to track it down again.
It's a vivid blue glass with a cased spiraled opaque pink 'netted' effect. Encased in the underside is a mass of choppy-looking gold/silver inclusions... although they look too thick for common-or-garden silver-/gold-leaf, so could possibly be a substitute (they'd been raiding snowglobes!), or they were just very generous with the gauge of precious metal.
The sides and rim are quite textured where they've been formed, giving it a kind of 'antique' look.
The base is polished flat with a peculiar pontil-within-a-pontil finish. Plenty of wear to it.
Size is 95mm wide, 50mm tall.
Thanks for looking. :)
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/1b-117.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/2b-100.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/3b-90.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/4b-51.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/5b-15.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/7b-2.jpg
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Bengt Orup?
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Nothing similar leaps out for Orup in my books or through Google. I also can't think of gold/silver/mica inclusions being used much in Scandinavian glass (although, out of Denmark, my knowledge gets decidedly patchy).
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I had a square bowl with glitter inclusions id'd as Orup Johansfors 1960s - but unable to trace a pic right now, sorry.
Zwiesel used this technique as well, but you piece looks a bit thick for that.
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Nothing to be sorry for. :)
I'll have another crack at it with the Orup information.
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I see the Orup connection somewhat, but it looks more Murano to me, a mezza filigrana variation of Scarpa's bowls, although the ground out pontil mark is a little bit of an anomaly. Orup's similar work, at least the stuff I've seen, tends towards broader threads of glass. Below is a piece I have.
As an aside, I've not found much on Orup apart from this site. http://www.bengtorup.se/glas/ Any suggestions for how to broaden my horizons?
David
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I considered Murano when I picked it up... but wasn't too sure. From the examples I've owned and seen, even in quite chunky, objects the inclusions tend to be a lot finer and less like, as Ivo says, 'glitter'.
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Was tellyhopping a few days ago, and spotted this lamp base on Bargain Hunt... same technique, same chunky inclusions, very similar colours.
Don't know if it jogs anyone's memory? No one on Bargain Hunt knew what it was (quelle surprise), and it got derided as 'possibly mass-produced rubbish from Venice... with an English look about it', or other meaningless words to similar effect.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/bh1.jpg
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/bh2.jpg
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Nic, there's been two lamps on here the same decor - I'm pretty sure - tentative id as possibly Czechoslovakian. I'll try and find the threads for you - I'm sure they are the same.
thread here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,38037.msg209214.html#msg209214
Nigel B had one as well, possibly a different colour - can't remember if that is mentioned in the thread and didn't read it before linking.
m
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Gosh, thanks - excellent memory. And I'd read that thread before, too! ::)
They're very very similar in execution and colour, aren't they? Mystery Czech it seems to be, then. :)
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The bowl doesn't strike me as Czech.
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Doesn' t look Czech at all to me either.
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Not even with the quite closely matching features of the lamps bearing Czech labels?
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Nic, not that I'd know, but to be honest the bowl doesn't say Czech to me either :-\ the only other decor I have seen similar..ish has been a Nazeing piece, but I know nothing about Nazeing and it probably isn't that either :-\
sorry - but the lamps were a match ;D
m
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It might just be my photos (it was a pain in the bum to light - and the results aren't amazing), but the colours and technique used on the dish really do match the Bargain Hunt lamp... which in turn bears very close resemblance to the lamp with the Czech label.
But... obviously... different factories in different countries used the same techniques and schemes as and when they were in fashion... so I know that's not a dead cert.
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mm, your top photo is the best likeness. Can you get a close up of the decor similar to the lampbase close up you posted from the tv show? I can't see the 'powdery' effect in yours which I presume is there?
m
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There's another bowl here on ebay and I feel pretty sure this is the same decor as the lampbases :-\ and as Nic's bowl, but Nic, please could you add your pictures to the board directly so they remain here?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yellow-Glass-Dish-Square-silver-incursions-/270912628719?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item3f13a6a7ef
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In Pina's Italian Glass these small square bowls are attributed to Venini. Sorry, don't have the book to give further details.
John
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are these bowls not the same as the lamps I linked to then? The lamps have a Czechoslovakia label I believe?
Nic, would it be possible please to upload a photo directly to the board?
thanks :)
m
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They don't look like it to my eye but a similar effect if not technique.
John