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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriscooper on January 12, 2012, 09:07:13 PM
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Again purchased in the darkness of an early morning boot sale, appears to be well made but the lighter it got the more it started to look tk maxx :-[ and of Far Eastern descent :sun:
Any thoughts have I unintentionally purchased my first piece of Chinese glass?
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-yvjcwawmQIo/Tw72szkGxHI/AAAAAAAAVXI/b--LVcxF9qs/s512/SDC10182.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GjrULUEsCtY/Tw72IRdPqFI/AAAAAAAAVQk/cMB9xGNmYBc/s640/SDC10172.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-JxflE4LI31I/Tw720LiqeYI/AAAAAAAAVVA/s1nHccIqG7A/s640/SDC10184.JPG
And finally, probably the give-away the base ;D
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rwoJa9YwIes/Tw72WiPVW3I/AAAAAAAAVQ4/wTSdfA4o5Bk/s640/SDC10176.JPG
Chris
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I'll stick my neck out and say 'Murano' with all that aventurine :pb:
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I'd say not Murano with that base finish, and I'm not sure China either - maybe Spanish? but that's a guess.
m
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Hi Chris i hate to say this but it looks as if someone has scraped it along a paving stone to add the age look , note how the lines all go one way and are very white , although saying that it does look well made . I hope i am wrong .
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That finish just screams Lafiore on Mallorca - but the aventurine is quite achieved - and even if they can make quite astonishing glass I've not seen anything like it there.
JP I'm glad you're back and your usual self <keeping fingers crossed> paving stone is the technoque.
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No idea, but I'd like to throw Poland and Japan in the mix for consideration. The four points remind me of Poland, while the silvery inclusions make me think of Japan.
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Hi Ivo et al there were a couple of dealers down on the south coast who brought over van loads of new large Italian pieces , they said several London dealers were buying them rubbing the bases on paving stones or the like and selling them as old , i dont know how true it is but i do believe it happens as i have seen quite a few at fairs that scream out at you .
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Chris, the more I look at the bowl, the more I'm leaning toward Japan. The silver reminds me so much of a piece I once saw that had a Lefton label. It may be a good way to look.
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Hi Ivo et al there were a couple of dealers down on the south coast who brought over van loads of new large Italian pieces , they said several London dealers were buying them rubbing the bases on paving stones or the like and selling them as old , i dont know how true it is but i do believe it happens as i have seen quite a few at fairs that scream out at you .
actually I think that in these pieces the sharp pontil mark is taken back by grinding using a grinder ball fitted to a power drill - so the piece stays still and the grinder moves. The trick of moving a piece over a rough surface is to create scratch on the stand ring and should not fool anyone. Soft scratch or standring wear are unmistakable and takes a long time to evolve. If I ever see a piece with fake wear I tell the dealer I would have been interested but for the damage to the underside. And you can tell by their guilty look they know what you mean.
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Yes real age wear is unmistakable , and a bonus point in my book .
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Well Chris, so far it is established that it was made somewhere here on this planet! :thup:
Wherever it was made it is a lovely piece. :thup:
Whenever it was made it is a lovely piece. :thup:
Whoever made it was quite a good glass artist. :thup:
Whoever decided to make it look old if it isn't, is a fool. :thud:
I like it and would probably have bought it if I had seen it in a boot sale....depending on the price of course, so I will watch this thread with interest.
Rosie. :)
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Last time I stick my neck out :-[ :pb: :pb:
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My guess (older) ??? Japan. What was that company name...it started with a *K*. Just a guess here, but very lovely still. Nothing wrong as it could be older (60/70's) Japan...but I am only guessing here. :spls:
Still beautifully designed with the points that go upwards on the bowl!!
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except for the treatment of the pontil mark, of course. That is recent.
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Last time I stick my neck out :-[ :pb: :pb:
Why do you say that Keith?....it could well be Murano, that's what I would have assumed if I had seen it.
You stick your neck out any time you like...every opinion is valuable and valid. :thup:
Rosie. :)
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Yes Keith , stick whatever you like out thats what this forum is about - the nitty gritty -i find this a very interesting thread that will help new members and old alike , another point that i figured out a while back is the wear should only be on the high points that touch the surface its resting on , so if the base is concave even a little the low points should have no wear at all . Sorry if i am teaching Granny to suck eggs , Where on earth does that come from . i aks you ? sorry no apostroffs they are out of fashion . :smg:
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yes, I see that the UK bookseller chain Waterstones has also now decided to drop them, so you're in good company jp - nonetheless I shall remain true to the cause and cling nobly to English grammar, like what she is supposed to be writ. And now for something contentious, but perhaps helpful :)
Fakers and those intent on deception go for art glass and pretty glass that they know will appeal to Buyers who care more about looks than historic interest or value, so they choose 'Murano' styles (aventurine and all that jazz) to copy and sell. They know that a large part of their market isn't over versed in the subleties of manufacture or factory accuracy, and so scrape the base in one direction only, as probably most of joe public who buy this type of glass aren't aware that time and tide produce wear marks in 360 degrees, and it's true that boot sales are full of imitations and punters who buy cheaply, often with no other intention than posting on ebay for a quick profit.
Most of us have bought hurriedly and cheaply, in the dark, on a cold morning, something which we believe, secretly, to be of high value - only to get home and realize we've goofed. Nothing wrong with that, unless of course you repeat the mistake. I suppose we're all greedy and it's the reason why we rise at some ungodly hour in the dark and cold looking for real bargains, and doubtless Chris thought he was getting Murano. What's that phrase....'if it's too good to be true, then it probably isn't'.
Of course those of us who don't buy high end art glass, or pieces that are fashionable, are less likely to get our fingers burned - on the other hand we might have boring collections ;)
However, as we are always saying, 'if you like it, and it's cheap, then buy it'.........what does it matter from whence it came, or whether the scratches all run the same way.
The problem comes only if you are buying expensively and don't have the expertise to back up your intuition.
quote from jp..........."another point that i figured out a while back (seriously John ;D) is the wear should only be on the high points that touch the surface its resting on"........and whilst this is obviously very true, and one of the first things I look for, I believe that sort of effect can be faked without difficulty - give me a few sheets of wet and dry paper and I'll wager that I could produce authentic 100 year old wear on almost anything.
A more subtle pointer is to look for wear on the extremities of the piece - something a faker would almost certainly overlook, but of course less obvious or absent on glass made recently.
So, moral of the story - know your glass if you're buying in the dark - or, alternatively, buy genuinely interesting glass - anything with real history, and which the fakers have no interest in and you can assess more accurately ;) Or just buy what you enjoy looking at.
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Thanks all for the replies so far, don't think the marks were done to deceive though at least not by the seller anyway, it was far too cheap, I would never be taken in by a ploy like that anyway far too smart I only buy inexpensive pieces ;D
Think Ivo is right it looks to me like a clumsy attempt to grind a sharp piece of the pontil scar which is quite deep in the foot?
Jp you are associating with too many dodgy characters :sun:
Just add there is some natural wear on the foot rim and Paul it only cost £2.50 anyway (January sale) ;D
Chris
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Chris, you and Ivo are probably right. Pontil scars often look bad if they aren't finished by polishing. Yours looks like it has been ground off, like Ivo and you mentioned. North American studio glass is known for pontil scars that are unforgivable, so yours didn't shock me too badly. In some places there is just not the urgency to produce a nice glass base.
I have searched a little for a bowl like yours today, but no luck so far. I have a feeling it is one of those pieces someone will happen upon one day. I'm cheering for antiquerose to find it. She can locate things faster than I could ever hope. I think she has detective in her blood.
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Thanks Anita, we are used to more 'refined' bases over here like this Whitefriars one.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-yQV3MHxwDDg/TxCUbOzODZI/AAAAAAAAVXQ/XTzW0ySFY4w/s640/SDC14331.JPG
Unless of course it went out the back door in a 'hurry' like this one.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ou1MJfUI_wc/TraRZaZM1lI/AAAAAAAATck/Q6RwTfXNcGA/s640/SDC10711.JPG
Chris
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Chris the only people i mix with are those on this forum , so you may be right . ;D
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If that is the only 'damage' that it has, I would still say you did really well. Its a lovely bowl and my bargains that I find in the dark usually end up having a crack or a chip that couldnt be seen or felt at the time. Or it probably could but in my haste with a fast beating heart...it gets overlooked LOL
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I have searched a little for a bowl like yours today, but no luck so far. I have a feeling it is one of those pieces someone will happen upon one day. I'm cheering for antiquerose to find it. She can locate things faster than I could ever hope. I think she has detective in her blood.
:24: :24: @ TxSilver......Nope, Just that my horoscope as a Scorpio (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/travesmilies/sternzeichen/smilie_skorpion.gif)
I was thinking of KAWA GLASS ??? like HERE, maybe (http://www.rubylane.com/item/545225-RL-104/Red-Gold-Foil-Japanese-Art)
...or take a look at this post of mine, and the glass there. So maybe Chris yours is related to that company/area ?? as a guess??
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42110.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,42110.0.html)
I really like it, as when you took the pic from the side it has those pinched-up pieces at the corner. I think that is Neat and very different!!
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I stumbled upon this when I was looking for something else: www.decoruniverse.com/vases/dale-tiffany-ag500360-granite-stone-vase_g610252.html?isku=5515180&linkloc=cataLogProductItemsImage# It's not the same, but it made me wonder.
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I am trying a search with things like *art glass bowl pinched protruding points* and also trying words like *Aventurine, Mica, Flecks of Gold....* to expand my search.
Still trying here..... :X:
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:chky: LOL
I have searched a little for a bowl like yours today, but no luck so far. I have a feeling it is one of those pieces someone will happen upon one day. I'm cheering for antiquerose to find it. She can locate things faster than I could ever hope. I think she has detective in her blood.
Okay -- It took me a while -- but is this one a close match in Style?? :X: ...... And, err--r--r .....It has a Funky bottom Too :huh2: So I dunno know. I happen to stumble on this while trying to search for a piece of mine.
See HERE- Pinched Art bowl (http://retroartglass.com/store/item/2nifk/View_All_Glass/Black_Amethyst_With_Copper_Aventurine_Art_Glass_Bowl.html)
Never say Never ;D
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Pretty sure it's the same bowl Rose, not sure about the attribution and price though ;D
Thank you for the time and effort you have once again have put in for others :sun:
Chris
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https://picasaweb.google.com/107067405711297858658/MuranoAppliedGoldBowl#
Photos restored in this link