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Title: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 17, 2012, 12:37:03 PM

Gooday,

I have a Hailware Tantalus complete with two Decanters that belonged to my Father, that I would like to have valued, any help would be much appreciated.

Regards

Andrew Whelham

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Bernard C on January 17, 2012, 01:25:47 PM

Andrew — Welcome to the GMB.

A Hailware tantalus is unexpected and sounds interesting.   Any chance of pictures, please, including one of the HAILWARE mark if possible?

See TECHIE TIPS: Posting Pictures - Guidelines and how to (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html)

If you have difficulties, email me, attaching any pictures, and I will put them up for you — it's OK as I'm a longstanding GMB Committee Member.   Just click on the envelope icon to the left.

Where are you?

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 17, 2012, 02:00:59 PM

Hi,

I'm living in Broadstairs Kent tried uploading Jpegs but file size is way too low.

Rgds

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Bernard C on January 17, 2012, 07:07:04 PM

Andrew — As promised I've resized and optimised your images.   As they're not mine, I've taken the extra precaution of watermarking the images with your copyright notice.   This is no guarantee that your images will not be misappropriated, but it is a strong deterrant.

I used IrfanView, a free download, see topic TECHIE TIPS: Posting Pictures - Guidelines and how to (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html), and ZippyHelp Watermarker (http://zippyhelp.com/imagetools/watermark/watermarker.htm), an on-line utility from a long-established and impeccable source.

Here they are.   Click any image to enlarge:

(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_watermarked_13268242851125.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/watermarked_13268242851125.jpg)    (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_watermarked_13268244015405.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/watermarked_13268244015405.jpg)

(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_watermarked_13268244578825.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/watermarked_13268244578825.jpg)    (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/normal_watermarked_13268245241442.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10318/watermarked_13268245241442.jpg)

I hope that is OK.

What is the handle at the top like?

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 17, 2012, 10:43:44 PM

hi Bernard,

Have sent JPEGS of top of the Tantalus, any idea of a value for this item, have been in touch with Hampton antiques not that impressed with the figure they've suggested Please advise.

Andy

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Tigerchips on January 18, 2012, 12:27:42 AM

I'm not sure on value but here is a little bit of info on the company... http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Hailwood_and_Ackroyd

You will also find other items and info on the GMB search.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Bernard C on January 18, 2012, 03:35:55 PM

Andrew — The GMB is not the place for valuations.   As your tantalus may need some restoration, particularly possible rechroming, and as it's not clear whether it could be dismantled to allow this, I think you are likely to get the most interest from the glass sector.   Accordingly I suggest you contact glass specialist auctioneers for a valuation.   Bonhams of Knightsbridge and Fieldings of Stourbridge are to me the two most obvious starting points.

Others may be able to suggest Art Deco specialist auctioneers to contact.

Bernard C.  8)

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 18, 2012, 04:19:25 PM

Didn't realise the GMB? was sacrosanct!? just after some info Thanks anyway!

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Anne on January 18, 2012, 06:11:30 PM

Not a case of being sacrosanct, but valuation is a specialist area, and we are not professional appraisers, so if we get it wrong and you get mad at us, that's not good is it?  :ooh:

By the way, you can't reply to a topic by email with or without images as you tried to do earlier, the email simply bounces to me to deal with.  I've resized your base pic and am adding it here for you.

We also have a Help topic for pics which gives tips about how to get your images to work for the board: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6522.0.html but you can shout for aid if you get stuck.  :thup:

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 19, 2012, 01:55:56 PM

Hi,

As I stated max file size  for sending JPEGS is too low (even in mono)that's why I sent them direct to your Email address haven't got the time to get into Irfanview? have sent info to Bonhams hopefully they'll get back to me  need to know value for insurance purposes...Thanks

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 19, 2012, 02:09:18 PM

While we are always glad to help people if we can, it is important to remember that everyone here contributes in their spare time. We are volunteers, so if you haven't got time...

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Glass Message Board on January 19, 2012, 06:39:50 PM

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Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on January 19, 2012, 07:09:01 PM

I found the value of some Tantalus sets and was not overly impressed with the prices at auction. Though you did not quote the valuation, it may be the Hampton value is in the right ballpark -- just not what you hoped for. $200-400 seems a normal range for the estimated values of sets similar to yours. Some were slightly more or less. I do not know anything about the makers, however, so can't comment on anything more exact.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 19, 2012, 10:11:05 PM

Thanks for info valuation was £180 but getting the Tantalus up to North Hampton from Broadstairs may prove to be risky & expensive considering the weight of said items, hoping to hear from Bonhams.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on January 19, 2012, 11:24:36 PM

The Hampton valuation was in line with what I found for similar tantalus sets by other makers. Not knowing about the companies, I cannot say if the name on yours would carry a premium. Hampton probably would have known, so my instincts are to trust their valuation. I hope you hear from Bonham soon with more info.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: chriscooper on January 20, 2012, 12:25:30 AM

Are you actually seeking advice on the items and looking to find out a little about the makers? or merely looking for a valuation. Not a lot of information available on line but a couple of members have done some research on the company and can be found through the search facility on here, I have a couple of pieces. A lot on here have 'busy' lives too but somehow manage to find time to help and freely share their knowledge Not sure though ignoring one member who gave you a lead on the company and insulting another is the best way to go about it though.

Chris

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 20, 2012, 12:54:09 AM

Both really, not sure who I ignored? "If you have difficulties, email me, attaching any pictures, and I will put them up for you  — it's OK as I'm a longstanding GMB Committee Member.   Just click on the envelope icon to the left."......... this is exactly what I did! not sure why he complained? & by the way I was not informed that these images would be posted on this forum not a problem but would of been nice to of been asked, I assumed they were just for evaluation purposes. anyway bit of a storm in a tea up really.......

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Anik R on January 20, 2012, 05:12:28 AM

Quote from: whelham on January 20, 2012, 12:54:09 AM

... by the way I was not informed that these images would be posted on this forum not a problem but would of been nice to of been asked....

Hi whelham,  it seems to me that you agreed to post your images on the board when you sent them to Bernard.  He did say "If you have any difficulties, email me, attaching any pictures, and I will put them up for you."  As you yourself admit, that's just what you did. 

If there was a misunderstanding and you do want your photographs removed, just click on "Report to Moderator" with your request. 

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: whelham on January 20, 2012, 09:03:24 PM

Hi,

Love the German Glass especially top left hand corner & the Polar bear.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: Anne on January 21, 2012, 01:35:30 AM

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6521.0.html

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: nigel benson on February 25, 2012, 01:12:36 PM

OK, so who of the folks on here can spot the damage, given the photos supplied??? Other than, of course, the stated problems with the metal ware...........

Just illustrates how sensible it was for folks to be careful about giving an appraisal of value on here - even if tempted to against the board's reccommendations.

As for

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..........need to know value for insurance purposes...Thanks

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150755076352?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/150755076352?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)

Nigel

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: flying free on February 25, 2012, 01:28:41 PM

cannot at all -  :-\
m

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: wolkenreb on February 25, 2012, 03:19:12 PM

What damage??

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on February 25, 2012, 03:41:41 PM

Is there a crack & nick in the neck of the left bottle? The pictures are not plentiful enough to really evaluate the condition.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: wolkenreb on February 25, 2012, 03:54:23 PM

Don't know if I'm finding 'imagined' damage, but the top of the near stopper looks a bit nibbled?  Anyway, it seems he decided to sell them rather than insure them (unless insurance was to cover them in transit . .).

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 25, 2012, 04:28:36 PM

You're so sweet, Nancy.  ;)
No feedback left yet.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on February 25, 2012, 04:39:08 PM

The buyer had to collect the set in person, so would have a chance to evaluate before accepting. No problems.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 25, 2012, 04:44:56 PM

But still no feedback!  :spls:

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: nigel benson on February 25, 2012, 11:39:37 PM

C'mon Sue.......how would I know what the damage is?????   ;)

I'm off to me bed as I'm up early for the Cambridge Glass Fair - so answers tomorrow night, or possibly Monday.

I'm still interested in folks comments though ;) :)

Thanks, Nigel

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on February 26, 2012, 03:05:24 AM

One of the toppers looks like it could be broken across the top. The pictures are too poor to say for sure. It may just be the angles of the shots.

Okay, Nigel. You better be back here soon. You're torturing the GMB and you know how we can be when we get stressed.  :grrr:

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 26, 2012, 11:59:17 AM

 :P
And you're getting me mixed up with somebody else, Nigel - how could you?
Have fun the Fair!  :X:

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: nigel benson on February 27, 2012, 12:13:26 PM

Ok, so we went to collect the tantalus with some anticipation, since as many of you know, I am researching the company that produced Hailware. I was delighted to have won the auction, if at a price that I thought high, but I had to account for an Art Deco premium.

The piece was duly taken, unceremoniously, out out the boot of the car in a broken box and put on the ground for us to see the tantalus - in the outside light of the block of flats.

Not good was the fact that both decanters were badly chipped many times each around the rims, with one having a crack running vertically from it  :spls: :o The little wear nicks around the stoppers I guess I could live with, altough they detracted from the crispness of the Art Deco look.

"I think we've got a problem", I said.

"What?"

"The damage to the decanters!!"

"We've got another buyer whose offered more." Implication, pay or lose it.

I asked for a phone number and had to leave a message with Andy, the seller(this being his brother).

Seller replied through eBay:

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Have sold to another buyer!- coast102

Well, let's hope that buyer wasn't relying on some very carefully taken photos!! Even the closer one doesn't really give it away.

Of course I realise maybe I should have asked the pertinant question, are the decanters damaged? But, I guess I fell for the old trick of thinking that having declared the damage to the metal ware he might have said the the decanters were badly chipped (beyond restoration). The old trick of drawing attention to some damage to avoid the rest.

Why mention it at all? Well, to illustrate that even experienced dealers can make mistakes, and, to let others learn from this one by me.

Nigel

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: chopin-liszt on February 27, 2012, 12:19:26 PM

And while you still were the accepted winning bidder, they sold it to somebody else... for more?
When you should have been offered a substantial reduction for the damage?

Beware folk you meet on t'internet!
If you're going to meet up with them in real life, make it in a brightly lit, public place and take your mummy with you.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: oldglassman on February 27, 2012, 12:28:41 PM

HI ,
           And i would think appropriate feedback should be a negative , 'sale cancelled damage not mentioned', which if another buyer has indeed been suckered into it, will alert them to the problems and that they dramatically affect the items value and desirability.

Cheers ,
              Peter.

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: glassobsessed on February 27, 2012, 12:34:19 PM

Not what I would call a mistake Nigel - you checked condition before you handed over your hard earned cash. You were not duped but mislead by what sounds like a poor seller. If you had asked more questions about condition how confident are you that any answers would have been accurate?

I hope you did not waste a lot of time and effort travelling to pick them up.

John

Title: Re: Tantalus
Post by: TxSilver on February 27, 2012, 02:31:15 PM

What an interesting story, Nige. It sounded like something out of the movies. Anybody watching would probably figure there were drugs or guns in the trunk. I still wonder about the double auction. Did coast102 auction it again after you won? Or was there a second chance? Strange indeed.

A bit of early morning glass intrigue...