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Title: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: rocket-vintage on January 22, 2012, 12:57:04 PM
My search for an early piece of Mdina continues . . .

Picked this vase up at a fair this morning. Approx 6.5" tall

Any info appreciated . . .

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/jamestaylor652/P1221191.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/jamestaylor652/P1221196.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/jamestaylor652/P1221193.jpg)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f398/jamestaylor652/P1221198.jpg)

Thanks

James.
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: Greg. on January 22, 2012, 03:30:59 PM
I believe this is one of the later ranges that Mdina produced after Michael left, around late 80s and into the 90s.

Different shape and date to the Inside-out vases.  I think there are a few other examples of this range on the board from memory, i think its one of nicer later designs that Mdina produced.

 :)


Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 22, 2012, 04:31:55 PM
Eric Dobson designed "Tiger" while he was in charge after Micahel Harris left, this is, I believe another of his designs - I think it's knowm as "Sea and Sand", which consists of a band of "Tiger" over a bubbly yellow background,
It wasn't continued for any great length of time, it has one shape that is distinctive of Sea and Sand alone, a sort of wide round-bottomed bottle with a medium tall "spout" of a narrow neck.

This isn't an inside-out. Just a tall cased, vaguely egg-shaped vase.
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: rocket-vintage on January 22, 2012, 08:49:02 PM
Thanks for the info  :)

The search continues . . . .
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: glassobsessed on January 22, 2012, 09:33:56 PM
Nice piece..

Here is Andy's collection and I don't see your shape among them here... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,26518.0.html

John

Yes I do!
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: rocket-vintage on January 22, 2012, 10:00:18 PM
Ah yes, I've spotted it to. Great collection :)
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 23, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
But did you spot the squirrel leaping around in the top pic? :o
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: rocket-vintage on January 23, 2012, 02:23:35 PM
Haha... Yes.

Little bit blurred but looks like the Sciurus Carolinensis or Grey Squirrel ?

 ;)
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 23, 2012, 02:46:11 PM
It's certainly the scurrilous kind!
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: Andy on January 23, 2012, 10:54:30 PM
Just popped in to see this one, i think its a great pattern, and based on Harris early designs. Just polished my collection
the other week, good quality stuff. The one thing i found out about this range, its a little earlier than Mark Hills book,
and is circa late 70s early 80s. I think it was only produced for a few years. The one piece, and only shape, i missed out on,
was a large Fish vase , dated 1981, luckily ive got the only cut ice version ive ever seen, just checked out the previous link
as i type, the one with the squirrel leaping over it !

Yours is a rarer shape , along with an onion shape, they are my favourites, and i would imagine , not easy to make!!

Cheers,
Andy
 :thup:
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 24, 2012, 09:35:09 AM
As I said above, Andy this is a post-Harris design by Eric Dobson - given he designed Tiger - and this is sort of based on Tiger. Although Tiger was loosely based on Michael Harris' designs anyway (the lollipops with tri-colour internal strapping, but with the strapped colours merged and flattened) - it's sort of a progression of designs rather than a totally different design, I suppose.
By onion, do you mean the round bottomed shape with the spout? I never thought of that as an onion :thud: but as a shape specific to this Sea and Sand colourway. :)
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: Andy on January 24, 2012, 10:31:12 AM
Hi Sue, my comments were post  :cheers:  pub time  :ho:.
As you say , inspiration from previous designs and patterns. Ive added a couple of possible designs they were based on,
i think the bowl is a Harris pattern ? not sure about the Lollipop, is that Harris or Dobson ?
Also, not sure where i get 'onion' from, i think its other examples on ebay, it is , of course , the one in Marks book,
page 53 'tapering' .
Hope this helps.
Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 24, 2012, 10:55:37 AM
 :24: And I was posting pre-coffee, Andy!  :pb:
(the postie woke me from a deep sleep - I'm still in shock  :spls: )

I'm pretty sure the bowl with the three spirals is a Harris design - based on my knowledge that there are pics of these in the Stenett-Willson '75 book on studio glass (along with IoWSG Tortoiseshell attenuated bottles).

It sort of fits in with the Chinese bowls - with the three "characters" around the body.

I may be wrong, though! I've seen some (and have one) which I am sure are of Harris period - delicate and beautifully made while there are others which seem far more "crude" - which I assume are later, certainly made by somebody less competent.

And, I have a weird one.  :sun: I believe it to be by one of the Boffos, as it is a tall (11") beaked vase in exactly the same proportions as the wfs ones - only a lot bigger.
Here it is, along with a pic that's a bit blurry, but shows my "collection" of this 3 spiral colourway bits.

I think the plates may be post-Harris (based on my experience of them not being good enough for MH!)

The smaller lollipop in your bottom pic, (the one with the blue midddle part over a sort of hour-glass centrepiece) I am fairly sure is a Harris design, it's not this Sea & Sand range. These continued to be made after MH left.
One of the wfs folk very kindly gave me an image of a photograph of Vicente Boffo taken in '84, when he was living in the uk. There was one of these lollipops on the sideboard behind him.
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: Andy on January 24, 2012, 11:28:10 AM
Wow  :o :o :o
even more from your fabulous collection! The pics of your shelves from the other thread are amazing !
And the value ! Have you ever estimated it? Not that it matters anyway.  :-X

Best wishes,
Andy
 :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Mdina Inside Out Vase ?
Post by: chopin-liszt on January 24, 2012, 11:38:19 AM
Ummm, no, I don't tend to think about "value". I collected it before I knew what I was doing. I probably overpaid for a lot of mundane stuff as well as getting hold of fabby and scarce stuff cheaply, sometimes not nearly so cheaply!  swings and roundabouts.
Frankly, I have trouble even estimating how many bits of Mdina I have, probably around 500, quite possibly more.
 :ooh: