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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: carolglass on February 09, 2012, 04:13:25 AM
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Hi all, am between a rock and a hard place- did a bit of a trawl around the second hand shops and was offered two Sheringham clear candle sticks-both in good order but no Wedgwood mark to the base. A three ring and a seven ring for $200 NZ (for the two), don't know whether to bite the bullet and eat noodles for the next wee while or gulp-Walk Away!! I already own about ten of various colours and up to 3 rings. :ooh: from Carol in sunny Napier NZ :sun: :sun:
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Hi Carol... I don't know anything about these candlesticks, so $200 sounds like a fortune to me. I suppose it all depends on what you feel about them. Will you lose sleep and kick yourself in the pants if you don't get them? Or will you lose sleep and kick yourself in the pants if you do?
It's a toughy. :kissy:
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that's about £120.00 for the two. I would apportion £100.00 in my head to the 7 ring. They were incredibly difficult to make from what I read, so I guess only a few makers would have been able to blow the 7 ring ones without losing them. Check out the prices on the net for the big ones. and then make your decision. Personally I love the clear ones. They are very elegant and I can imagine the 7 ring would look spectacular. If there is absolutely no damage I would go for it personally. I'm pretty sure there hasn't been any talk of someone 'faking' any of them never mind a 7 ring one and they were not always marked (although goodness knows why not, especially the 7 ring ones and 5 ring ones which are quite special).
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I think at one point in time, 9 ring ones went for about £1,200 - but that was a bit of a flash in the pan.
Is there not a story somewhere about some of them being made at King's Lynne? It's possible, I believe, to tell the two (KL or WW) apart by how the base is constructed?
Sorry, I'm dredging through the bottom of the dustbin of my brain for this - my comments might be a bit contaminated by coffee grounds and fag ash.
However, this sounds like a bargain to me if you like them.
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:pb: And I thought $200 for two was a fortune... Carol, perhaps you should get them for your collection! Noodles are lovely.
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I reckon you should use an exponential scale to calculate value, depending on the number of rings.
They were made using an incalmo technique - bonding seperately constructed pieces of glass.
One ring bits are fairly common, not too complicated to make, and not overly delicate that they get easily broken.
!2 ring bits are exceptionally complicated to make, very delicate and easily broken. They were also (obviously) the most expensive when first made.
So an example of using an exponential scale would be to double the price for every ring, rather than add a certain amount per ring.
I'm not saying doubling would be correct - it might be tripling, or multiplying by 1.5.
But I reckon doubling isn't too far off.
But a 7 ring bit is not to be sneezed at :smg: - (you may knock it over and break it!)
Porridge is lovely - and healthier than noodles. I lived on it for three weeks once. I did better than my friend who only had dog biscuits for a fortnight.
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Porridge? Bleh... Noodles are better because you can have spaghetti noodles, shell noodles, swirly noodles, and when you're feeling exceptionally daring, alphabet noodles... all while looking at your collection of candlesticks. ;D
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so the consensus at the mo is to go for it :hiclp: and live on something inexpensive for a while ;D
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:ooh:
I count pasta and noodles as being different - noodles are the Chinese eggy things to me - and much as though I love pasta, only the wholemeal stuff is good for you and good wholemeal pasta is hard to find - and it only works for shapes - the spaghetti is awful. Porridge is cheaper.
And I like porridge ;D - but only with salt - and it has to be solid - sticking to your bowl when you turn it upside-down!
But I'm sure looking at the (7-ring!!!!!!) candlestick will make anything taste good!
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They were made using an incalmo technique - bonding seperately constructed pieces of glass.
I don't think this is quite correct, more later. (quite soon, I expect)
12 ring bits are exceptionally complicated to make, very delicate and easily broken. They were also (obviously) the most expensive when first made.
Definitely!
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Ooooh, goody goody! - more eddication!
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Carolglass, how often will a chance like this come along. Buy away! And they don't even have to be shipped. It's not really so much money. You won't even miss that amount in a month or two.
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These are made with a series of cast on stems and feet and the discs are made with a foot-board. Actually Eddie King demonstrated these at Leni's request during one of our Whitefriars Days a few years ago. Eddie made them at Wedgwood Glass.
If you have seen a stem being added to a goblet and then a foot, you have to imagine an extra stem added to the foot, then a stem, then a foot, etc and the gaffer has to keep the whole thing warm enough not to crack but cool enough not to move off centre.
In theory , quite easy but in practice they are very difficult to make. As you may know "in theory there is not much difference between theory and practice, but in practice there generally is". This certainly applies to glass!
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As you may know "in theory there is not much difference between theory and practice, but in practice there generally is". This certainly applies to glass!
Adam, I do like that quote, I might steal it from you! :kissy:
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It applies to Science too, I can assure you!
Thanks ever so much Adam. :kissy: for clarifying the complexity. :clap:
Which also explains the true value of the sticks with many rings. :smg:
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:hi: Many many thanks for the informed and funny replies-
usually I am not so precious about making a decision but my glass dedication has gone under a sea change of late. All my usual qualifications (for acquiring glass and ceramics and artworks and other stuff) are by the board.
Even with a sleep overnight I am still sitting on the fence with this. When I bought all my Wedgwood candlesticks I did do the knowledge gathering but it is relevant to be reminded of the complexity of making them-so thanks for that aa.
A new abode that is ALL mine but so many things to spend money on!! Do I get a cat door installed/ do I buy a ladder for outside/do I get the cabinets earthquake proof- ya see where I am coming from-arrgghhh!!!!
I did do a trawl through the net but apart from highly priced coloured ones in the UK-nada, so still rock/hard place.
Anik I love the spicey noodles- you know the Thai ones, I usually add more chilli. Again many thanks for the various insights.
regards from a still sunny Napier-Carol :-\
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Oh Carol, I wish I knew what to advise you, but I don't. :-\
Whatever decision you make will be the right one. Just follow your heart (but remember to take your brain with you). :kissy:
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In that case I would stand by the old adage 'when in doubt...do nowt'.
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Anik- that's the thing-I truly don't know in this case- and I am too old to loose brain cells pondering this one- darn it's too early for wine- ha,ha. I have shoved a few items on TradeMe and am waiting for three buyers to pay so that might tempt me.
Aha flyingfree that's what I should have said to myself-when in doubt-do without-BUT.....
TTFN Carol :t:
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Perhaps some of this thread (the wisdom of Adam) should be extracted and moved into British glass ;D
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These are made with a series of cast on stems and feet and the discs are made with a foot-board. Actually Eddie King demonstrated these at Leni's request during one of our Whitefriars Days a few years ago. Eddie made them at Wedgwood Glass.
Hey! I was there when Eddie demonstrated them! I can remember him saying that each candlestick was pored over after it was made and if it was even sliiiightly out of alignment, it was deemed unsuitable for sale. Seeing it's such an incredibly difficult piece to make, i should imagine there was quite a few failures. Hardly any wonder the seven ring is scarce. :) :)
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Adam, I do like that quote, I might steal it from you! :kissy:
Be my guest, but you'd be receiving stolen goods!
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is"
Attributed to Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut and also Yogi Berra. (not the same as Yogi Bear, Boo-boo!)
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Be my guest, but you'd be receiving stolen goods!
"In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is"
Attributed to Jan L. A. van de Snepscheut and also Yogi Berra. (not the same as Yogi Bear, Boo-boo!)
But he was smarter than the average bear! :wsh: :ooh:
Carolyn
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Hi Carol
sorry to join in so late. only just saw this thread. I have quite a few of the Sheringham, but 6 ring is my biggest. at $200 NZ I'd buy them. The 7 ring will be worth that on its own if you ever wanted to sell it on. I have a pair of clear 5 ring ones and they are probably my favourite - I think they are nicer than the coloured ones.
I add some recent prices on sold Sheringham 5 rings from Ebay UK to show what i mean. You can probably double these pricse for a 7 ring.
For information on prices/values
1 single candlestick was sold on ebay UK shortly after I bought this pair. This was in excellent condition, but unmarked. – ie no makers mark
WEDGWOOD GLASS FIVE RING SHERINGHAM CANDLESTICK MINT
Item condition:UsedEnded 09 Aug, 2010 04:06:25 AESTBid history:
9 bids
Winning bid:GBP 67.00
Approximately AU $116.92
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A single 5 tier clear one sold on EBay UK 26/9/11
Ended26 Sep, 201105:06:59 AESTBid history:
13 bids
Winning bid:GBP 74.13
Approximately AU $116.80
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Notice the price in £ is higher but the conversion to $$AU is about the same. Not sure how £ convert to $NZ though.
Best wishes, JAK
NB - If you don't want the 7 ring can I have it??
JAK
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:clap:
That should be easy enough to arrange between the two of you - and it's a thought that might help Carol decide!
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Go for it Carol! You can't lose!
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I passed up a clear three-ring example at an auction last year because it was unsigned and I've been kicking myself ever since. (I convinced myself it might be something else, and I was working on a limited budget at that sale.)
It's the only one I've seen come up in my part of the world in ten years of looking. I've seen quite a bit of Wedgwood glass (usually pieces with Jasper cameos applied), but only the one candlestick.
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Hi Robert
I bought my pair of clear 5 ring candlesticks, which have the Portland vase mark, from USA. I was the only bidder - I could not believe it. Got them for the start price, much less than I was prepared to pay. Mind you the postage was almost as much as they cost me to get them to Oz. :usd:
I generally only buy candlesticks in pairs - but would make an exception for a 7 ring ;D
Jackie
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Hi Carol is the $200 NZ absolutely non negotiable? could you go back waving some crisp dollars at the seller and knock 'em down a bit? Mel
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Hi everyone-Jackie I will email, Mel I did contemplate the crispy notes scenario BUT as I am still sitting on the fence even with two sleeps under my belt I still don't know!!!! I think this thread apart from the information contained therein should be forgotten about. Having said that please check out this action on Trade Me #445882890. I did keep an eye on this one this morning, it being Webb & Corbett-a sellers dream-last minuet bidding war!!
TTFN Carol sort of cloudy and humid Napier
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Please keep in mind that even though this post originated in Cafe please keep it to Sheringham candlestick information.
Tried to edit my previous post but didn't work
TTFN Carol
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Edit time is 60 minutes from posting, Carol, that's why you couldn't do it. Beyond that you need to ask a Moderator to do it for you.