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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: jakgene on February 14, 2012, 01:34:48 PM
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Also just received - from the same seller as the possible Da Ros bird, this stunning duck. The glow from the colours is fabulous - my photos do not do it justice. It is a deep pink at the head fading down to white - almost blue ish white.
Not sure how to describe it - opalescent? Alabastro? or something else. I am guessing it is Murano - coming from the same source as the bird in my previous topic ?
It is 27 cm or almost 11 inches tall. Has what appear to me to be distinctive feet and beak, Lots of base wear but hard to photograph
Can anyone please suggest a maker ?
will post another couple of photos.
regards
Jackie
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2 more photos.
Thanks for looking
Jackie
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hello Jackie - not my area at all, but might suggest that you can discount opalescent if............when held up to electric light you do not see any fiery glow through the glass. Sorry that's not much of a help, but I do know that Murano pieces can be opalescent, and this is one way of checking for that particular type of glass. See here for some explanations (and somunderstandings ;D), of this kind of glass.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39082.msg216170.html#msg216170
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Jakgene, I have been trying to figure out who the duck might be for some time now. The toes are like some pieces made by Seguso and Barbini, but the wings are held forward, instead of back. The color is one I would expect for AVeM, Cenedese, or maybe Barbini. I haven't been able to attribute the design. There were so many companies in Murano that it may be by someone else entirely. It is not alabastro. From what I've read, alabastro has issues with glass compatibility, so one rarely or never sees it cased. We had some discussion about the "o" words lately (opal, opaline, opalescent), so I'm shying away from using those words right now on the board.
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Thanks Anita and Paul .
When held up to electric light the duck glows almost red - very brightly, and with what I would describe as fiery streaks showing - I will try to take a photo of that effect tomorrow,
So if that is a description of opalescent glass then I think I have some.
Too tired to read the link you gave Paul tonight - its my bedtime - will read it tomorrow and try to comprehend, and if I can get the "glow" on camera will post another photo tomorrow.
Good night :usd:
Jackie
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That is a nice one looks like one of the top firms with those feet and and beautiful neck and beak , as Anita said the feet are very Barbini . jp
Would look nice in my collection .
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From what you describe, I would say it is opaline or opalescent. We had a discussion about the words. Some places on the web describe these "O" words as synonyms. Other describe them differently.
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I think Anita is probably correct insofar as this is a little akin to the vaseline versus uranium spat that occurs, occasionally. It seems to depend on whereabouts on the globe you are, as to how the words are defined, unfortunately. Probably true to say that us Brits. define opalescent as that property which gives glass similar light refracting qualities as opals i.e. a sort of fiery look when held up to strong light (the chemical make up of the glass being responsible for this effect).
However, the definiton of these words seems also to depend, on whose book you read...................
Quoting from Raymond Notley's book on Popular Glass of the C19 and C20, where he speaks of specifically of Opalescent older, pressed glass (and he includes U.S. pressed glass in this group), he says, quote........"If glass of a uniform thickness was used, an even opalescent effect was produced and was called 'opaline".
I've also just looked in Skira's 'Dictionary of Modern Decorative Arts 1851 - 1942' by Valerio Terraroli (published in Milan 2001) - and you can't get much nearer to the origins of Jackie's duck than that when looking for definitions of 'opalescent' and 'opaline'.
There is no entry for opalescent - but there is substantial space given to the entry for opaline (although nowhere in that description is the word opalescent used).
And if you aren't confused by now, then must be the only one who isn't ;D
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Hi all
Thanks for all of your comments and interest.
Have tried to take some photos to show the fire streaks in this duck. Not easy to photograph.
I am sure however that this fits the description of opalescent which I have just been reading - and coming from the land of the opal I shall use that term! :usd: :sun:
And sorry JP - this is definitely staying with me!
regards
JAK
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Ok , I have always used the term opaline if when you hold it to a strong light it has that fiery orange glow and no one has ever told me otherwise ,!!!! for a change . :thup: