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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on March 01, 2012, 11:05:43 AM
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Any clues to a maker for this nice object. ??
I'm thinking its Bohemian, lovely shape. 16cm tall, translucent aqua/light blue satin glass.
Clever enameling in white only, giving depth and texture.
cheers again,
Andy
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In the depths of my memory I seem to remember reading somewhere that Bohemian glass makers made similar for a mass market to mimic cameo glass. Then someone Webb's? maybe launched Florentine to compete, which was an enamelled version that seemed to be more detailed and intricately done, again having the appearance from a distance of cameo glass.
I'll go and have a look up in my books and see if I can get the story straighter ;D
m
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Thanks m , I see what you mean with the Cameo glass idea, I will have a look along those lines
:thup:
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If you search 'florentine' a comment comes up here on the Bohemian makers.
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Dan Klein & Ward Lloyd - The History of Glass - first published 1984
'A number of Bohemian firms imitated the cameo effect by painting and firing a thick bluish-white enamel on to a dark coloured glass. The ultimate debasement of cameo was the popular, mass-produced 'Mary Gregory' glass.'
m
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Thanks m,
it doesnt say Mary Gregory to me. I know its white enameling, but the colour and shape of the vase is much more interesting
than the MG stuff. The paintings good, not top quality, but its faded a bit, i expect it looked much better new!
Remarkably similar in colour and texture to my Moretti Jug though! 100 years between the 2 , i suspect.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30770.msg254499.html#msg254499
3rd page down!
Andy
;D
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Yes sorry Andy, my reply wasn't as communicative as it could have been - I think your vase is lovely, a gorgeous colour and finish as well. I wasn't referring to your piece as Mary Gregory...it was just the end sentence of a little paragraph where Dan Klein was discussing enamelled glass and that a some Bohemian firms were imitating it.
I think, from reading somewhere else, this was to the detriment of the cameo glass market as now the masses had access to a cheap form, if you see what I mean? I need to find where I read about the Florentine glass - that is sometimes marked Florentine on the base. It isn't in the Dan Klein book, but I'll have another search.
m
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Faux Cameo , nes pas ?
:-[
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Thanks m and JP.
from a distance , without my glasses on, it does look a bit like a wonderful Webb Cameo piece ;D
If i put it on ebay, i will make sure pictures are out of focus ! :24:
I still love the shape though!
Andy
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Andy if you do a search for 'florentine cameo' quite a few examples come up of varying different types of white enamel on satin glass. None in as nice a shape as yours though, but there are different examples of the enamelling to compare.
m
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Thanks m :kissy: found a few very similar, heres a link to a pink one on this board,
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=3431.0
possibly Silber and Fleming or Phoenix glass c1900.
and a satin blue one,
http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/261393163/Florentine_Cameo_Glass_Vase.html
Lovely and unusual blue glass vase with satin finish and impasto cameo decoration
I particularly like this ebay example at $1150 ;D
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DEEP-BLUE-BOHEMIAN-FLORENTINE-ART-CAMEO-ART-GLASS-VASE-c-1880-1900-/370343087052?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item563a2b0bcc
and a very similar one to mine, in yellow, marked on base , "FLORENTINE ART CAMEO". PATTERN NUMBER "404".
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-ART-NOUVEAU-FLORENTINE-ART-CAMEO-STYLE-BOHEMIAN-ENAMELLED-GLASS-VASE-/180829692304?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item2a1a4a2190
and under 'R' Roccoco Glass, on the link that m sent me earlier, sorry m, i missed it first time :-[
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Also more on googling 'faux cameo' as JP suggested, and thanks for pointing out my misspelling of Gourd ! :-[
Was Go ard a dog on Eastenders ? ;D
Thanks everyone
Andy
:thup:
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Silber and Fleming did NOT make glass. They sold glass (and any other decorative thing you might fancy). Their enamelled glass was Bohemian, some of it Harrach.
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Cant get much closer than this one. Nice price too ! I hope i can get that! I might try a BIY and best offer :X: It will be fun
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GORGEOUS-Florentine-CAMEO-Bohemian-ART-NOUVEAU-era-Glass-VASE-Numbered-BOTTOM-/370589918162?pt=Antiques_Decorative_Arts&hash=item5648e163d2
Christine, I think Harrach is quite probable. :thup:
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Andy is yours marked on the base?
Sorry I haven't checked out your links, but I have seen some marked Cameo (although they aren't I don't think) and others I'm sure I remember with a stamp on the base saying 'Floretine'.
m
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m, mines not marked, no signs of faded mark. Some of the above , were actually
signed apparently, Florentine Art Cameo.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-ART-NOUVEAU-FLORENTINE-ART-CAMEO-STYLE-BOHEMIAN-ENAMELLED-GLASS-VASE-/180829692304?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item2a1a4a2190
Similar and marked, sadly no photo of base, I think i will ask for one, its a live auction.
;)