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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: rocco on March 22, 2012, 04:38:12 PM
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Tall cylindrical vase, colourless glass with vertical wavy pattern and satinated finish.
Quite heavy (1.4 kg) due to the lower part being solid glass.
Height 27 cm, diameter 6.5 cm, beautifully ground and polished (and bevelled) rim, flat polished base with circular pontil mark.
First I thought Peill & Putzler, but not the faintest mark visible. It did have the remains of a rectangular label (pic added), which wouldn't fit either...
Any idea of a maker? Am I right in thinking German?
Thanks!
Michael
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I would think Czechoslovakia is a possibility, in the book 'Czech Glass 1945-80, Design in an age of adversity' Arnoldshe, lots of lovely photos, silmilarities in style to some Moser designs, but Jindrich would probably know if Czech is likely.
Lovely thing !
Good luck,
Andy
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Thanks a lot, Andy!
I have the book, so I will take a look.
Czech didn't cross my mind so far, maybe due to the overall similarity to the Peill vases...
Michael
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It looks much more German than Czech to me, but I can't pin it down to a maker either.
Astrid
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Astrid, thanks a lot for looking into this.
After checking my Czech books and several 100 issues of CGR I am rather confident too that it isn't Czech...
So most probably German, and not Peill...
Any other names I could research more deeply? - Nachtmann? Is it worth checking the Gralglas CD?
Quality is really good...
Michael
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Rosenthal might be the next best bet. They had satinated designs in the past in their studio-line (although these were usually etched as well)
But I wouldn't exclude any of the other makers (for instance Nachtmann) - I have no idea which of the German makers were into satinated thickwalled vases. Warmensteinach did half satinated crystal vases, there is one 70s catalogue of them at Pamela's.
I'm not sure if satinated was a popular technique in Scandinavia or France, those were the other countries that I was thinking of.
Astrid
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Thanks again, Astrid!
I searched a little for Rosenthal, Warmensteinach, Nachtmann, and even Oberglas, but no match; and regarding the remains of the label on mine, neither of their labels seems to fit either...
With satinized glass being highly fashionable in the 1970s and 80s, I guess this will be a tough one to ID ::)
Michael
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Hi Michael,
WMF might be a candidate also. I remember I´ve seen a similar vase with lens cut pattern
some time ago on ebay. Apart from that cut pattern it had quite similar features concerning
thickness of the glass and surface finish. I´ve already tried to find it - even in the finished
auctions, but it seems it´s gone already...
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Thanks Dirk! -- WMF is another maker I didn't think of...
I will look into that.
BTW, is there any literature on post war WMF glass? (I see so many ebay items attributed to WMF -- and Erich Jachmann, and wonder where all this information comes from)
Michael
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While searching for WMF I found another maker:
Christinenhütte (plant of Schott-Zwiesel group as far as I know)
The shape of the label fits perfectly to the remains on mine, and they seem to have done satinated pieces:
http://www.glaskilian.de/Hohe-sandgestrahlte-Vase-Chris.1160+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMTYwJnByb2R1Y3RJRD0yMzE4MCZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0xMTYwJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html (http://www.glaskilian.de/Hohe-sandgestrahlte-Vase-Chris.1160+B6YmFja1BJRD0xMTYwJnByb2R1Y3RJRD0yMzE4MCZwaWRfcHJvZHVjdD0xMTYwJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Designer-Objekt-Golfspieler-Glas-CHRISTINENHUTTE-Schott-Zwiesel-/120884666510?pt=Golf_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c2549a08e (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Designer-Objekt-Golfspieler-Glas-CHRISTINENHUTTE-Schott-Zwiesel-/120884666510?pt=Golf_Zubeh%C3%B6r&hash=item1c2549a08e)
This link shows a totally different style, but with the same perfectly circular pontil mark as in mine: http://www.glas-vasen.ch/von/christinenhuette/christinen_glas_001.html (http://www.glas-vasen.ch/von/christinenhuette/christinen_glas_001.html)
What do you think?
Michael
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Interesting... You don´t see too many Christinenhütte pieces, so whenever a
labelled one pops up it can be quite astonishing - like in this case - what else
they made. Never seen them use this technique. It looks a bit more thin-walled
than your vase?
Wish there was a ressource on post-war WMF, too. I´m not sure where all the
attributions originate either. Of course there are books on Wagenfeld and
Kupetz, but the other information may derive from catalogues, magazines like
´Die Schaulade´ or detached information in more general books on post-war
german glass or design history.
Will you write this book, please? I´ll subscribe for an example! ;D
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I know what you mean, Dirk, there is a range of green/orange and blue/purple pieces WMF that are always attributed to Jachmann, often even with a specific year attached somewhere between the 50s and 70s, but I've yet to find a book that confirms it.
Maybe there are old catalogues circulating somewhere - sadly not where I can lay my hands on them...
As for the topic vase, I'm always happy if a new direction of search is found. I hadn't seen any satinated with Christinenhütte attached yet - and I think it's quite a plausible one to look at. Doesn't it feel good that we can exchange that sort of info so that we're at least pioneering together...
Astrid
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Thanks, Dirk and Astrid!
As Astrid stated in one of my first threads here on the board -- "Ah Michael, welcome to the world of German glass collecting, a path for the pioneers, almost no travel guides available... " ;D
Not much changed since then...
We should take the "Jachmann" attributions with some reservation then, I guess.
I would love to collect more German glass, but it is not that easy to find here in Austria. And the good pieces on German ebay go far beyond my limit usually, considering the postage to Austria.
Dirk is right that the Glaskilian vase is much thinner than mine; what convinced me that Christinenhütte could be a possible maker were the cut rim, the style of the frosting and the shape of the label in particular.
Let's see if any other labeled pieces appear in the future...
Michael
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I remember I´ve ´stored´ one of the WMF vases with lens cut pattern
at my friend Oli´s in Bremen. Gone there by train the last time I visited him
and - as usual - I bought more than I could carry back. Oh - isn´t it nice to
make your friends and family co-addicted?
I´ll try to remember this post the next time I´ve been there.
So much to reveal and discover - I´m glad to have you at my side! :-*
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Hi Michael,
here´s the WMF vase I had in mind. It also comes in a shorter version (~20cm).
The base finish is quite different to your vase though. BTW forgot to ask... Is the
surface rather smoothly satinised or does it almost have a sand-blasted feel to it?
Hard to put in words... Possibly not really sand-blasted, but if acid-satinised not
just matted, but with noticeable depth to it. :-\
ebay (http://www.ebay.de/itm/grose-WMF-Kristall-Design-Vase-Blumenvase-31-5cm-21-/160777705354?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item256f19178a)
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Thanks Dirk!
The WMF vase you linked to does look remarkably similar (apart from the base finish).
And you are right that the surface of my vase does look sandblasted with a sort of structure to it (best seen in my second pic), rather than satinated.
Michael