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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: msiscoe on March 29, 2012, 05:48:19 AM
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Hello, I purchased this large glass Isadora Duncan statue, included in a lamp base. Does anyone know if Etling made one this large? It is almost 11 inches tall.
Many thanks.
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She initially looks right, however Decelle gives the height as 205mm which would be about 8 inches. does your measurement include the base?
I'm not sure if more than one size of this figure were made. Decelle's Opalescence is the only book I have to hand which includes her. I know Sevres issued plain frosted versions sometime after the war, however, as far as I know they were from the original mould and would therefore have been the same size...
Looking at the example in Decelle again, it does seem there's some difference in mould detail; the creases in the fabric look a little simpler and more vertical on yours, but it's hard to judge from the photos. It also looks like the hair on your figure is simpler and more stylised than on the known Etling version.
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Just dug out my copy of Cappa, and there's a photo of a Sevres/ Vannes reissue of the Etling piece. Height is given as 200mm. Looking at all three, certainly the original Etling example and later re-issue all have much finer detail than yours in the hair and in the way the fabric hangs. Therefore I'm fairly certain yours is a copy and wasn't produced for Etling.
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Yes, I have one of the Sevres statuettes. It's much smaller than this one...I was wondering how Sevres got the original molds, since they have issued several Etling works. Also, they have issued several known Sabino works as well.
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The piece has not arrived yet, and I'm going to have it removed from the lamp base to see if there is any signature.
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Hi
the link is pretty simple
Etling used Choisy - Le - Roi to make most if not all of their opalescent glass
Either just before or more likely just after the war Sevres bought up the Choisy glass works and hence had access to all the moulds of Etling, Hunebelle and many others.
cheers
Mike
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Sevres own the moulds. Etling was a commissioning retailer, the pieces were produced by Choisy-le-Roi who merged with or were acquired by Sevres. After Etling closed they continued to issue many of the patterns.
I'm not sure about their relationship to Sabino. Certainly Decelle's Sabino Catalogue Raisonne includes the Etling poisson 'Queue de voile'. Sabino's current vase 'Art Nouveau' (V148) was originally an Etling pattern; likewise the ST205 'Lady and the Lamb' was also a Sevin design for Etling.
Whether Sabino produced for Etling though is debatable - they may simply have acquired the moulds sometime after Etling's closure. The current 'Sabino Crystal Company' do appear to have acquired other firms' moulds such as a couple of Ezan patterns. I'd be interested to hear if you know of any other patterns common to both Sabino and Etling/ Sevres.
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Don't know about Etling, however it certainly does resemble Aladdin's G-70 lamp from the Chicago Lamp Co. Picture of my figure is below. Ken
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Here's one currently listed on eBay. I think this one is solved....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ALADDIN-G-130-LADY-IN-CAPE-LULU-ETCHED-CRYSTAL-FIGURINE-TABLE-LAMP-ANTIQUE-RARE-/200734092353?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebcaf2c41
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I just noticed the hair style is completely different on my piece, versus the Aladdin lamp. My statue has a braided roll and the Aladdin has a bob cut....
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Here's one with the bob haircut, they must have made two versions of this lamp....
http://heartofohioantiques.biz/store/Glassware.html
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If you don't have the rolled bun hair style then the figurine is a G-130 which denotes a different hair style. As a side note Aladdin deco lamp figurines (and there are multiple Aladdin nude figurines G-70, G-50, G-130, G-163, G-77, G-375) are constantly mis-attributed as Lalique. Etling, etc. Some of the confusion exists because these were also available in the mid 30's in oplaescent. An example of the G-50 powder jar lamp (mine) is below in Pink Moonstone. Ken
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Thank you everyone for your excellent information. Regarding the Etling/Sabino/Sevres connection, did D'Avesn also have links to Sevres?
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When Sevres took over Choisy Le Roi -P D'Avesn was working there looking after the Opalescent glass production -apparently.
He designed for them as well as running the production side and I believe was still designing for them right up to his death c1984 (at the grand old age of 83!)
I attach a classic of his that's been discussed before I think (and was the demise of some one in last year's Antique Mastermind!)
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Ken do you know if Aladdin did figurines as powder boxes as well as lamps please? I've seen on another site that you have posted a bright green satin glass lamp. I have a box link here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,46789.msg263081.html#msg263081 that I am trying to id and it was just a thought - sorry for hijacking this thread :-[
thanks
m
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Hi M. I saw this morning that you traveled over to the dark side where I reside & someone already answered your inquiry. Glad you made the trip & joined Christine. Ken
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Thank you :) I was having trouble managing to open any links on the site as my AVG kept blocking them once I'd posted. I have now managed to find the other threads....but my head is spinning with a whole load of manufacturers who I have never heard of ;D
m