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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: jakgene on April 02, 2012, 02:41:41 PM
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Hi -
Haven't bought much lately due to several household financial disasters :'(
However bought this several weeks ago and it just arrived today.
I was stunned into silence when I unwrapped it. Absolutely gorgeous ! and even though I knew its size it appears so much larger than I expected. It is optic glass and just reflects light beautifully everywhere. It is engraved with a bird - possibly a phoenix? or a lyrebird. Very good engraving IMHO. 18 cm (7 inches)tall and 20 cm (8 inches) diameter . Ice blue glass.
I have googled, checked my copy of "Fire and Sea" and searched this forum, but cannot work out what the code on the base of this means.
Can anyone help please?
As far as I can decipher it (after rubbing brown eyeshadow into the engraved marks) it says
in the standard Orrefors engraved script - which I have on several other pieces - orrefors H. 2332. R6.R2.
Am hoping the H stands for Edvard Hald? No idea what the rest stands for??
then in much finer script on the other side of the base
what looks like r rrof 025 15 B 1 . Now I have just looked at my photos again it could be Orrefors 153 '
the second inscription has proved almost impossible to photograph. have done the best I can. Black t shirt inside the vase - dark eyeshadow rubbed into it. If anyone can suggest any other tips to improve the photos am very willing to listen ;D
will attach more pictures of the signatures in another post.
Thanks
Jackie
West Oz.
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more signature pictures
Thanks ;D
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Page 199 in the catalogues 1941 H = Hald As far as i can see , the bird is taking off or landing wings up yes ?almost Swan like . my eyes are not too good these days .
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Thanks JP. so H is Hald - how did you decipher the 1941 ? and does the design have a name?
Yes the bird is flying - wings up, neck outstretched, 2 very long tail feathers dangling down and 2 shorter tail feathers outstretched backwards . Head has a four feathered crest on top raised up so not a swan I don't think (unless there are crested swans?) . Beak slightly open. eye marked as a tiny oval.
Thanks, JAK
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crane, I think.
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Thanks for the suggestion Ivo.
I just googled crane pictures - they have a crest so possible, but none seem to have the very long tail feathers this has. Also the Crane crest seems much more fluffy than on the engraved bird - which is distinctly 4 separate feathers gradually reducing in size - more like the crest of a cockatoo.
Have tried a couple more photos of the engraving.
JAK
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Some sort of bird of paradise I think, 'cos if that a crane it got short-changed in the leg department
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Just shows what you can miss when you concentrate too hard on other features! of course its legs are too short for a crane. Thanks Christine!
Have googled birds of paradise and I do believe you have it right. The long tail feathers and crest seem to match - along with the fairly heavy body. Most images were of the bird of paradise flowers though (strelizia) which i have in my garden. So why didn't I think of bird of paradise!
Thanks very much
JAK
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Nothing like the cranes i used to work on , told you my eyes were bad . at the beginning of that section a few pages back there was a table it had H for Hald , age simples it said 1941.
just found a mag glass , in very small print lower down it says form LU 1541 that sounds like lindstrand sorry if i got it wrong the print is so small and faint , it does look more like a lindstrand piece .
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Hi,
The engraving was designed by Held in 1941, although the vase itself was designed by Lindstrand around 1936. The letters "B6" mean the piece was manufactured in 1949. I see the last two letters as "RR", which would make Ragnar Rosenstam the engraver. If it's "RP", then it's engraved by Rune Pettersson.
Excellent find.
David
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Well not too far out as i have lost my glasses .
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JP Very close, indeed. Just goes to show that it's what in your head that matters, not what's on your nose.
David
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Thanks David, Christine and JP, that is excellent information. I will go and read up a bit about those people now - such skill they had!
And the vase was made in 1949 - just like me ;D
I will enjoy it thoroughly! Can just see it filled with roses - must go and buy some.....
regards
Jackie
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Wake up Jak 1949 nah read back how many times does it say 1941 ? come on old sport . ;D ;D ::) more like me . :(
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It only says 1941 once JP, then it says 1949 ;D - I was looking at the post from David (Langhaugh) where he says that one of the marks (B6) means it was made in 1949 - although the engraving was designed in 1941 and the vase designed in 1936 approx
Quote<< Hi, The engraving was designed by Held in 1941, although the vase itself was designed by Lindstrand around 1936. The letters "B6" mean the piece was manufactured in 1949. I see the last two letters as "RR", which would make Ragnar Rosenstam the engraver. If it's "RP", then it's engraved by Rune Pettersson. Excellent find. David >>
Perhaps those new specs need to come sooner JP :D
thanks again
Jackie
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With a new brain , my ever so humble apology Jak , more my vintage .
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it looks the same but with other mark on it...is it fake or?
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Page 199 in the catalogues 1941 H = Hald As far as i can see , the bird is taking off or landing wings up yes ?almost Swan like . my eyes are not too good these days .
I read a1.a2 or b1. b2 I think its an early peace.. (mines is much later..and the signature is H but Orrefors is just short ( O f h 2332. b3 ) O f = Orrefors.. Handwritten H =Hald And certainly not RR. i.m.h.o Just some intuition: A1 =1935 A2 =1936 B1 =1944 B2 =1945 Imagion.. you work on this peace.. its end december 1935 or 1944 the artist is in prgress of the work.. he starts in 1935 or 1944 month december and he ends the work in january.. 1936-1945 What must he choose ? The year of starting the process as inscription or the year in which he he ends it and put his signature on it..what would you choose..? just let this go to the brain for a while.. I think the maker did choose 2 years..
http://www.glassfromsweden.com/how-to-date-orrefors.html