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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on April 07, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
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http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303
many thanks
m
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it has a diamond point sig which is a good start.
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blushes with embarrassment that my translation was unsure :-[
Thanks Ivo :-*
That's a good start. My vase in question once I manage photos (and which has similarities) to follow
m
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Any thoughts as to whether it is or isn't welcomed. I have found one very similar to mine, same colour, same inclusions but I think different shape (hard to tell from their picture), which is id'd as Leveille and where they offer an authentication certificate, but I can't tell from their blurb or pics whether or not it is signed. This one isn't. I had reservations about the colour (did Leveille use this colour?) and the markings, which didn't seem as similar to other pieces (more muted colours, autumnal type colours and the markings seemed more powdery on the others I have found). But then I found the one linked to above, where the markings seem more of a match and as I said above, the blue one with inclusions that are the same.
8" (20cm) high 7" wide (17cm) and very heavy for size, weighs about 3.5kg maybe a bit more
m
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More defined pictures and better representation I think. The base wear is commensurate with a lot of age, worn completely matt ring. The pontil mark is very large. The crackle is felt on the inside of the vase, then cased with three swoops of coloured inclusions then cased over the top again, so smooth on the outside. Weight is 6 1/2lb or 2 3/4kg (I was a little out with my estimate above now I've found the top to my scales.
All the above seem to fit with it being a Leveille piece c.1900 as far as I can see. The only other I have found in this colour is a different shape, but has similar coloured inclusions. I have found two others that seems to be from this era and range, i.e. more 'defined' shapes, less organic, and with the 'swoops' of internal inclusions, one in the original post in the thread the other here
http://www.ogallerie.com/auctions/2011-01/675.1.jpg
I think the way the vase is formed, the crackle on the interior, then the inclusions then the casing all seems to fit with the way they were blown according to what I have read.
m
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This is the link to the other blue one I found, but unfortunately the pictures are limited and the shape isn't clear although I think it's a different shape to mine.
http://moinat.biz/leveillE-vase-frankreich-1900-5cm-stil-20eme-ref-1-02-0032-de
m
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Just a link to provide more information and a confirmed id on my vase.
I should add that a blue one with the same decor as mine, same blue but different shape has been confirmed by the owner as signed.
I was just looking for a little bit more confirmation as the decor is quite distinct and quite modern looking.
I've provided a good link in the thread below to two signed pieces, both different decors (one which is the same as mine) but similar colours, and both were owned by the same collection - thereby it is reasonable to believe the sigs on both were able to be confirmed as 'correct' by the owner of the collection - and Ivo has added confirmation - thank you Ivo!
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52030.msg295171.html#msg295171
m
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Adding a little more to this thread
and also the information in my post here:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52030.msg295178.html#msg295178
quote from my post
'Thanks Ivo, I've seen lots of those but hadn't found your links - lovely to see them.
I had previously found this signed one
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303 - pertinent to me because it is very obviously from the same hand as a vase I have.
I suppose I'm curious because the signed one I've just linked to here , as well as the Sotheby's one, and the one I own, all seem to be a 'range' if you like - and they seem slightly different in the way the colours have been used, to the pieces such as on Ivo's links.
It's quite probably because they came a in a different period in Leveille's career, perhaps towards the end maybe, whereby the shapes seem somewhat 'more modern' than the era and the use of colours and they way they are applied seem a little different don't you think?
Everything about mine otherwise is 'right', the large polished pontil, the internal decoration over the crackle etc, I know I should just rest the case having found a signed piece so similar to mine - but you know how it is :)
edited to add
Having looked again at some more details, the vase I just linked to here
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303
and this vase here
http://www.herr-auktionen.de/kataloge/onlinekatalog/detailansicht/article/vase-5626cfc2e6/?tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=1970&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=01&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=01&cHash=e4f1030b466cfe3973d55e02075b1603
have both come from the same collection and both are signed - presumably the owner would have been able to check details and sigs so would I be reasonable in now laying to rest my query and putting a fairly firm id on these vases - including the one linked to first here as having been sold by Sotheby's?
If so I can do a little celebration dance ;D for my vase'
I like to have as much cross referencing as possible when trying to id my pieces.
I am very happy to have found another vase (not mentioned if signed although the one I linked to above is signed in diamond point), which has a combination of both the shape of mine (shoulders neck and rim) as well as the thickness of the glass and at the base, and also has the decor of those Leveille pieces that have coloured inclusions applied in a more 'painterly' way,i.e. those that are more subdued than colours on my vase (and other pieces in the same 'range' as my vase).
I think this brings the two variations on a theme together very well :)
I feel as though this was the last piece in the jigsaw. I feel satisfied with my identification now :)
https://leverreetlecristal.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/v483.jpg
https://leverreetlecristal.wordpress.com/category/ernest-baptis
The last thing I had been searching for was the use of the very bright yellow in my vase,trying to see if it had been used in those pieces in the 'painterly range'. Partly because all the pieces I'd found so far seemed to use a subdued ochre'ish yellow'
I found this lamp :)
http://www.aguttes.com/html/fiche.jsp?id=3088642
It's supposition on my part but I think the two 'ranges' possibly belong to slightly different periods.
Amazing to look at the experimentation on these vases and realise they were made 125 years ago.
m
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Great information, m. - many thanks! :)
And I couldn´t agree more with your last sentence. Personally I sometimes use my (unfortunately
damaged) Leveillé for a quiz and ask people to guess the age, which usually leads to some surprise.
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Glad it was helpful Dirk :)
I was so pleased to find that vase with the shape.
m
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A link to a vase being sold on ebay.
It's in a similar ish vein, in that it looks quite chunky and modern and has a very thick rim so seems to be a thick heavy vase also. Different colour to mine but does also have those very bright inclusions in it.
I'd describe it as having a small base foot with a three-wide ringed beehive shaped body narrowing a to a thick round rim (just in case for when the link disappears).
It seems to be made in a similar way as well, possibly cased as inner layer, then inclusions layer, then crackle layer then cased again.
Nice piece. Also seems to be signed in script E Leveille with Paris signed below.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223133911286
I'm still not sure mine is by Leveille. Mine isn't signed and I don't think the other blue one I originally linked to was either despite the description.
The inclusions do look very similar to the one I've linked to above, but something is making me hesitate. It could also be that the blue colour of mine makes the inclusions look so much brighter and less 'sophisticated' than those which are in the brown/amber colourway maybe? I don't know.
The decor and method of making are the same I'm sure. Mine also has a very large polished pontil mark. But I'm still not entirely happy.
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This one perhaps has some similarities in that it's a lighter colour.
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/215430-rousseau-and-leveille-vase-france?in=1179
However, again, the inclusions just look more 'painterly' to my eye as opposed to those in mine which seem to be more splotchy and not as sophisticated. Difficult to explain but something doesn't feel right.
So, I'm coming back round to the vase I posted on a link on another Leveille thread, this one it is said is by Jean Noverdy, Verrier in Dijon.
It seems somehow to have more similarities with mine in terms of the colour of the inclusions, the type of inclusions and also the thick rounded rim:
It's in the Musee de France if I read correctly and was acquired in 1927.
http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/public/mistral/joconde_fr?ACTION=CHERCHER&FIELD_8=LOCA&VALUE_8=DIJON%20ET%20MUSEE%20DES%20BEAUX-ARTS&FIELD_3=AUTR&VALUE_3=NOVERDY%20JEAN&FIELD_1=DOMN&VALUE_1=VERRERIE
Difficult one.
m
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I think I'm being over-cautious because my vase has so many yellow bright inclusions (and I don't like that as much as the ones which have the maroon inclusions as well so appear to be more muted), and because it's blue and I've not yet come across another blue one in a matched or similar shape to the more amber ones.
The inclusions in mine can be seen in other Leveille pieces - I've linked a signed version below showing this
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303_266-vase
and in all other aspects it fits with it being by Leveille. I'll just keep looking for a blue version :)
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This is a blue version that I think is the same shape as one which sold together with the one I linked on Live Auctioneers at the first post in this thread.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/254974609480
the link to the Live Auctioneers one here with a diamond engraved signature:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/8116303
That blue is a slightly different shape to mine but clearly the same maker.
Again not signed but Ivo pointed out in a different thread that many were not signed.
m
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hmm, more debate over whether Leveille made these vases here on Collectors Weekly.
The author shows a vase like Dirk's and also shows a pic of the vase which was sold on the Live Auctioneers, which said it had a diamond engraved signature:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/226052-bohemian-craquelle-glass-vase?in=441-activity
Author and owner of that piece on CW says that he now feels the vases are not by Leveille. Author comments that he thinks they were perhaps British.
My feelings are not.
I can't comment on the amberish ones which appear to be by the same maker as mine, but mine is enormously heavy for size, internally decorated something French makers were good at in the early 1900s and has a very large polished pontil mark. My feeling at the moment is they are by a French maker.
This one, as I mentioned above, has very similar inclusions and also the crackle:
http://www2.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/joconde/0322/m013703_0007026_p.jpg
And for easy comparison, just a link to the signed one on ebay in the brown amber and with similar inclusions
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/223133911286?hash=item33f3d148f6:g:r34AAOSwiIRbkYoI
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There is also more information and debate on another CW thread about a vase with an internal decor that I've had queries over before - also one I've often seen 'attributed' to Ernest Leveille:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/230012-ernest-baptiste-lveill-footed-bowl-o
In that instance the person querying the attributions says there are two in museums with original labels from a different maker:
'...Now, in the Kunstgewerbe Museum Berlin there is shown a vase of same décor and etching. The curator comments in 'Glas der Moderne 1880-1930', that a similar vase in the Museum Novy Bor carries the original label saying '... (Mellerio Freres) Verries d'Aubervilliers, the Gewerbemuseum Nuremberg has another piece with the same label. Therefrom one may savely conclude, that at least similar pieces to yours are made about 1890 by Mellerio Freres. The curator of the Kunstgewerbemuseum Berlin opposes an assignment to Rousseau or Leveille by a more detailed discussion.'
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These two with similarities - brownish, the internal crackle and colour streaks - but very different shapes to the other brown ones.
Sold in 2009 as WMF - just adding for info and shape but no reference source to the WMF claim:
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/woolley-and-wallis/catalogue-id-2777272/archivelot-7698353#lotDetails