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Title: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: Ivo on April 14, 2012, 12:40:41 PM
My oh my - sad little pooch waiting for stubs. This is an amber ashtray in two parts - the ciggie holder comes loose. Everything is incredibly neatly panel cut and polished - including sides and bottom.  The moulded foliage on the side of the ciggie holder smacks of Lalique - but of course there is no mark.

I think what this represents is Greyfriar's Bobby,  refusing to leave the tomb of his master http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby for 14 years after his death in 1858 - and thus became a  legend.

Right?

Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: flying free on April 14, 2012, 01:50:01 PM
Ivo it's delightful!  but don't I recall you saying you don't 'do' brown or ashtrays  ;D  I'm not entirely sure it looks the same as the sculpture though.
I haven't seen it before (that's not saying much) but I'm sure someone will find him.
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Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 14, 2012, 02:08:03 PM
Wrong breed of "wee dug" I'm afraid, Ivo.
Bobby had a shorter snout and curly hair, a Skye terrier.
(I know him well.  ;) )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby

It's not any old shade of amber - it's that one with the lovely rosy glow inside, used by quality makers.  :)
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: Ivo on April 14, 2012, 02:17:05 PM
The statue was made much later and it is not even close to a skye terrier - check the original albument print in the Wiki - at least the ears are all right.  And which other dug does gravestones?
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 14, 2012, 02:30:31 PM
 ;)

I did and I know,  ;) but was thinking it would have been a model/replica of the statue of the wrong wee dug. That's the famous touristy sight.

In Edinburgh, talking of "Greyfriar's Bobby" generally means the statue and its close environs - a common meeting place. The story is not what comes to mind to Edinburgers, and most know that the image has been a bit.... :-[ "tartanised".

(my cat exhumed next-door's hamster.... ;D)
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: Ivo on April 14, 2012, 03:53:25 PM
Throw it in the bin, quickly. And give bac k the hamster!

oh yeah. http://www.victorianweb.org/sculpture/brodie/2.html I think that dug has more brodie in him than any Skye terrier should.
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: wolkenreb on April 14, 2012, 06:05:48 PM
That's a gorgeous little set Ivo.  Beautiful colour and I love the dog - definitely has the (bow) wow factor.  :)
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2022, 12:03:45 AM
Greyfriars Bobby not a Skye Terrier but a Dandie Dinmont?  (I know, it's been ten years since this thread   :o but just noticed this article and the thread sprang to mind)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jul/24/faithful-terrier-greyfriars-bobby-may-have-been-a-different-breed-book-claims


To be honest, I don't really think he looks like either  :-X


Still a lovely piece Ivo.  Could it be Czech? Inwald?
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: chopin-liszt on July 25, 2022, 10:34:33 AM
The shiny nose on the dug is fairly recent. He had his full patina when I was growing up. The thing about rubbing it is very new.
But I can't help thinking the dug was far more likely to have been a mongrel? 
Title: Re: "Whitefriar's Bobby" ashtray
Post by: flying free on July 25, 2022, 11:27:42 AM
That info has now made it onto the Wiki page :)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby

Sue, I've no idea to be honest. Absolutely none.  However the theory that there were loads of Dandie Dinmots around but Skye Terriers were mostly on Skye funnily enough at the time, I suppose could be an argument for?  No idea why I even read that article in the first place but the thread sprang to mind  ;D

Ivo, sorry but I don't think your dog looks at all like either.  It's snout is too square.  I guess there is artistic licence and all that though :)

Inwald came to mind because of the colour, the hand-finishing/polishing and that the leaves somehow reminded me of the birch leaves vases or the palm tree ones?