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Title: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 17, 2012, 09:35:18 AM

Hi, I wonder if anyone can help me identify this piece of glass. It stands at just over 8 inches tall and as you can see is beautifully engraved.

Here are a few pictures http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh276/forsakenbeloved/Glass/


Many thanks
Lorraine

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 17, 2012, 10:13:49 AM

It's beautiful. English perhaps; it's a very English subject. BTW it's amber cut to clear. The bulk of the glass is clear; the amber is a very thin layer

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass
Post by: lekelly on April 17, 2012, 10:20:08 AM

Hi, Christine, you are correct it is cut to clear. I have searched many sites and had no luck, did spot this  http://www.rubylane.com/item/458334-A-1043/Magnificent-Antique-Moser-Intaglio-Cut  which I do not think is correct, which is why I hoped someone on the forum might have a better idea.
Thank you for taking the time to look and reply

Lorraine

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 17, 2012, 10:59:46 AM

The reasoning behind the Moser attribution is just so flaky! That's also a beautiful piece

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 17, 2012, 11:05:22 AM

Totally agree Christine, but as you can see they do look alike.
A lot of work has obviously gone into the piece, do you think it could possibly be Stevens and Williams?

I don't know if this helps or hinders I imported this piece from a collector in America and he didn't have a clue either.

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: Ivo on April 17, 2012, 11:09:05 AM

Amber flashing or varnishing is a technique developed by Egermann in the 1820s - and they are still doing it. Many glass houses have copied it and gave their own twist - but you can be fairly sure the glass is Bohemian (Novy Bor region) or from Bavaria.   

The "Moser"piece you link to may also be from Egermann; the decor was often borrowed from an old engraving.

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 17, 2012, 11:15:41 AM

Thank you Ivo, I can see your reasoning behind your post. Is there any way to narrow it down?

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: Ivo on April 17, 2012, 12:32:34 PM

Hardly. You can hum some convincing lines while turning the glass around, savouring the weight and the quality of work - but it will not allow you to date it correctly. Some engravers can tell from the style of working when it was done - but few others can.

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: chopin-liszt on April 17, 2012, 01:47:50 PM

There is, to my knowledge, still top quality work being done.
There was a chap in Crieff who had a wee antique shop - gone now, sadly, but he was buying the brand new stuff up like there were no tomorrows. He was absolutely convinced it was an incredible bargain and he'd be able to sell it all later. Given his wee shop's gone, I don't know what happened. I suspect ebay killed it more than his flashed and cut/engraved glass accumulation did.

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: Tigerchips on April 17, 2012, 06:56:37 PM

The page just keeps loading and doesn't show the photo's.  ???

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 17, 2012, 09:11:17 PM

Sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier , shift work.

I just tried the link to Photobucket and its working fine.

But can email you if you would like

Lorraine

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: glasskillian on April 17, 2012, 11:38:19 PM

 ;D green with envy.
Wonderfull piece of glass

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 18, 2012, 08:02:50 AM

Thank you it is wonderful. Would be even more wonderful if I could find out a little more about it and an idea of value.

Title: Re: Engraved amber glass cut to clear
Post by: lekelly on April 21, 2012, 10:39:04 AM

Okay here are some more pictures and information kindly supplied by, Philip and Ann Petrides, who run www.great-glass.co.uk

Hi, Lorraine
 
You are right in thinking that the engraving on our blue vase (attached photo 6234) was very similar to that on your vase. At the time we attributed it as 'possibly by Stevens & Williams', though we had no hard evidence to support that. Since then, we have also had an amber bowl (photos 7844 and 7844s) with similar birds, but amongst fruiting grapevines. More recently , we had a blue powder-bowl, and an amber cigarette-box, both with the 'bird in rose-bush' engraving on the lids. The cigarette-box still bore an original paper label 'Verrerie Artistique, Cristal Palace, Vichy' (probably the retailer, rather than the manufacturer), which at least shows that this type of glass was available for sale in France.
 
Given the appearance of this glass in several countries, the style of the engraving, and the constant repetition of similar 'bird in bush' patterns, we now think it was probably the product of a small Bohemian glass-refiner (the Bohemian engravers excelled at this sort of thing), who found the 'bird in bush' theme to be a popular one, and exported it all over the place. We are fairly confident that it dates from somewhere between the two World Wars, the 1920s or 1930s.
 
If you should ever find any better proof as to its origin, please let us know!
Best regards,
Philip & Ann Petrides

here they are on photobucket http://s258.photobucket.com/albums/hh276/forsakenbeloved/Glass/ also the paper label that they mentioned.

I really hope this helps or jogs someones memory

Many thanks Lorraine