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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on May 19, 2012, 12:43:50 PM
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Fairly standard uranium hyacinth vase, which glows very well, and which appears to have upper case letters embossed on the underside, which read...........GPTYE. Unfortunately, I don't have Patricia's new book, which may (or possibly not) give reference to bulb vases with such base markings. Height is about 5.5"/140mm, and has a fair amount of wear, so am assuming pre 1940. All thoughts appreciated, and thanks for looking. :)
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That is an important bulb vase! :o I will poke P and D
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I've just looked in the book. The thought is that this base plate was used pre 1850, as George Piercy Tye didn't register this design until 1850
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Well done Paul, my whole book was written around the inventor of your bulbvase: George Piercy Tye.
I dedicated 34 pages to this man, a bit too much to go into detail here but after registering the vase on November 4th 1850, he then saw it sold as far as Australia!!. The base of your vase might mention this date or otherwise have Gt. Charles Street Birmingham (used when the registration ran out).
In fact the vase sold so well, he then invented a lot more hyacinth vases, may be time to buy the book after all?
Patricia
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P.S.
Just noticed that the baseplate of your vase has no further information which means that it was probably made just before registering it.
Patricia
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my sincere thanks to both of you - and in view of Patricia's comments would appear that this one may possibly have been made just a little before 1850 - which I must admit does surprise me - I really had it down for the 1930's or 40's. In fact the guy at the boot sale this morning had two the same, and as I felt sure the date was well into the C20, I only bought the one. :( I will try again next week and fingers crossed he may still have the other one.
Yes, I now see the meaning of the base letters - but without the book would never have know this, so maybe time to get a copy.
I don't collect these things at all seriously, but do have a dozen or so, and pick up the odd example if it looks interesting. I think there are several C19 pieces, and must admit the amethyst and blue colours are attractive.
Many thanks again. :)
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Some pictures of a G P Tye amethyst hyacinth vase with gilding.
The base is marked Registered November 4 1850
Roy
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very attractive Roy - great find. Judging by Patricia's various comments in her book - it's quite possible that this particular base mark would indicate a date of somewhere between 1850 and 1854.
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Thanks Paul
It was one of a pair that I bought amazing to think they have been together the best part of 165 years.
Roy
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For interest, a very nice uranium glass bulb vase bought this morning.
Marked G P TYE on the base, with no other markings except that it appears it might have been marked twice as the letters TY can be seen underneath and at an angle.
This will join others currently lurking in a dark place in the garage with strange looking roots and shoots (thanks to Patricia's wonderful book ;D )
Unable to attach pictures the usual way for some reason, so had to revert to photo bucket - if it works that is.
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Back to the drawing board. Will try to upload pictures later. ::)
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Anne, I owe several of these vases where Tye was stamped twice.
To make matters worse, it shows two different types of lettering and I have not worked that one out yet.
Two different types of letters would mean two different base plates, right?
May be somebody with enough knowledge on blowing glass in a mould has the answer?
Patricia
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You called? ;D
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Ah David, we,ve been there and done that.
I still don't get it how TWO different types of lettering can end up on ONE baseplate.
(I'm not shouting, just don't know how to emphasize things on a computer).
Patricia
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The baseplate has the same, single version of the lettering. After the initial mould-blowing, then a second (accidental) impression is made while the glass is still malleable: probably while the mould was opening, the vase was lifted very (very!) slightly then returned to the baseplate. It would all happen so quickly (they were banging them out), the blower probably didn't even notice. Either that, or the vase was twisted slightly before the mould was opened, but then the mould lines may become slightly 'smeared'.
Final offering: the vase was returned to the mould for some reason. Perhaps some minor, but noticeable, imperfection?
All hypothetical, of course, but unless we can ask George, we'll never know... ;)
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And that is where David and I have different opinions.
The base plate clearly shows two different kinds of lettering.
Christine, you'll be judge when you'll be here next, let's not forget ;).
To be continued...
Patricia
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That's next year...
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I bought this bulb vase recently although unmarked I was sure it was a Tye one as it seems to be identical to the other ones I had and which are posted here, plus the very distinctive base which does not have any markings.
Any thoughts as to being Tye or not most welcome.
Height just under 5.5"
Roy
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The base and the rim tend to make me think yes.
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On a Tye vase the rim makes a strong angle where it meets the vase. Roy your vase has a smooth vase/rim profile.
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Another pair of G P Tye uranium glass hyacinth vases both marked G P TYE REGISTERED NOVEMBER 4 1850.
Both have traces of scrolling gilding.
Height 5.75"
Both glow very brightly under a UV light as shown.
Roy
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Sounds like the stamps with the ghost letters underneath must be a common problem. Both I bought recently have them. The one is clearer than the other.
One of them weighs 358g and the other 464g, amount of glass probably affected the moulding and clarity of the base stamp.