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Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Pkay on March 25, 2006, 11:54:24 PM: Hi,

I picked up this piece on ebay a couple of weeks ago after having a good look at the Ysart glass pages for the first time. Something in the back of my mind was telling me that it could be Monart, but as I won it with the opening bid it didn't really matter either way for the price.

Having looked at the site again, I now think it's possibly a Vasart piece being similar in shape to the V030. I went on to read that surface decorated pieces by Vasart are not at all common, so with that and the fact that nobody bid against me, I'm pretty doubtful that it is but would be greatful for a definate answer either way.

The vase measures 8 1/2 inches (216mm) tall & the decoration is a sort of purple/maroon and white colour. There's possibly some writing on the raised pontil but I can't make anything out specifically.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/pkay6/Mon1.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/pkay6/Mon5.jpg
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/pkay6/Mon9.jpg

Any help appreciated.
Thanks, Pkay.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 26, 2006, 12:10:36 PM: It certainly looks like the Vasart ones, not Monart, but it is very hard to tell from the picture.

A few show here http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/YsartSpecial2.htm

Larger pics of a lamp

http://www.ysartglass.com/Pinup/YsartPinup200405.htm

Is the top edge fire finished (Vasart) or cut (Possible Strathearn)? Not heard of a cloisonné in Strathearn yet. I expect we will be seeing a lot more surface decorated Vasart over the next few years.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Pkay on March 26, 2006, 05:32:38 PM: Hi,

thanks for your reply. Looking at the 'Specials' page the vase does appear to be a Vasart and 2 colour one at that. I'll try to get some better pictures added later on, or as soon as I have time, to give you a better idea. Also the rim has been fire finished.

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I expect we will be seeing a lot more surface decorated Vasart over the next few years.

I have just won another small vase which looks like a possible 2 colour cloisonné decorated piece, although I haven't had chance to check the shape as yet.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pretty-Mottled-Blue-Caithness-Glass-Vase-Unused_W0QQitemZ7400184896QQcategoryZ2685QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

If this is also a Vasart, wouldn't it be a bit strange why they're only just turning up now? ... or not? I know very little about Ysart glass in general, as it's not my usual area of collecting but I'm starting to take a bit more notice of it all of a sudden. :wink:

Hopefully I'll have some better pictures added in a day or so.

Thanks again for your help,
Pkay
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 26, 2006, 11:10:08 PM: The eBay one is definitely not Ysart.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Pkay on March 29, 2006, 12:19:13 AM: Oh well... not to worry, 1 possible out of 2 isn't bad for a starter.
I've tried to get some more photo's done but I'm not sure they're any better than the last ones to be honest. This seems to be one of them pieces that doesn't photograph too easily, well not by me anyway!

http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b178/pkay6/Vasart%20V030%20Surface%20Decorated%20Vase/?sc=1&multi=8&addtype=local&media=image

If the pics make it any clearer whether it's Vasart or not, assuming that it is for a moment, do you know what the colour would be correctly described as?

Also in the album is what I thought could be a V037 shape vase. Again there's no obvious mark but this one measures 125mm tall (4 15/16") which may be a new size to add to the list?

Thanks again,
Pkay.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 29, 2006, 06:02:52 AM: V037 size will be added, thanks.

I still cannot be certain on the surface piece, what do others think?
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: David555 on March 29, 2006, 02:42:55 PM: It has that Monart/Vasart shape and feel to it - I think the surface texture is very close and the button pontil looks good.

I have to say that I am just a beginner and if you are in two minds about it Frank then I have no chance - LOL

It seems quite an important piece to catalogue, maybe next time you are in the country Frank you could meet up with Pkay - I sense that if held and inspected closely you would be a big step further on.

Thanks

Adam P
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 29, 2006, 03:33:49 PM: Perhaps you can meet up with Gary he has several Vasart surface pieces and can manage to confirm it.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: millarart on March 29, 2006, 04:23:39 PM: Hi Pkay and Frank,
i have had a good look at this piece and have no doubt that it is Vasart , shape and colour and pontil is all good, i do however feel that i should let you Pkay know that there is on thing that is not right with this piece, ITS NOT SITTING LOOKING AT ME FROM MY OWN COLLECTION :cry: :lol: :evil: :roll: , so i hope Pkay you have taken this hint and remember the name MILLARART when you get fed up of it :roll: :roll:
Gary
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Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 29, 2006, 09:26:16 PM: Thanks Gary,

I was 99% certain, now 100%. These do seem to be flooding :shock: out at the moment I expect we are going to many more such surprises in the coming years!
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: millarart on March 29, 2006, 09:45:03 PM: Hi Frank,
this year alone has shown up quite few Vasart surface decorated pieces which goes to show that there is a lot more than thought going about and therefore i would expect to see them becoming cheaper to purchase and im sure that more and more will surface over the next couple of years with more different colours also than was thought of, there was a pink one sold days ago which made good money for the seller, it would be nice to see some Vasart surface decorated bowls for a change as i havent seen one yet, also the Vasart surface decorated lamps which im sure there are lots sitting about in houses/lofts ect, oh did i mention that i do own three surface lamps :lol: :lol: all different colours and look brilliant when displayed and lit, still i would love others in different colours hint hint hint :wink: anyway does anyone else out there have any Vasart surface decorated pieces as i would love to see all the different shapes and colourways that they made it in, maybe Frank you could do a section on your site on Vasart surface decorated pieces only if there is enough examples sent in
Gary
oops forgot to mention i also have a very nice surface decorated Strathearn lamp which means im sure that there shall be a lot more Strathearn surface pieces out there too, so get sending in your pics so we can all see and learn, maybe this should be the start of a new post, i shall get pics of all my surface piece posted as soon as possible
Gary
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 29, 2006, 09:58:45 PM: Strathearn surface dec seem to be appearin on all of their shapes but for me, mostly unexciting.

Around 1990 only two Vasart surface were known and about 3-4 years ago they started to appear. I guess I have heard about 15-20 now and maybe twice that number Starthearn.

I already show 3 here http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/YsartSpecial2.htm and larger pics of another http://www.ysartglass.com/Pinup/YsartPinup200405.htm - I will happily add more so send them along please :D
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Pkay on March 30, 2006, 06:45:08 PM: Hi all,

Sorry for the delay in getting back, and thanks for all your help in positively identifying the vase as Vasart, to say I'm pleased would be putting it rather mildly. :o :D :lol:

Frank, I have to say you were making me slightly nervous when you didn't commit, but I know it's not always easy to tell from a photo (especially mine), and I'd rather a cautious decision any day, than a rushed/wrong one. Much appreciated.

Gary, thanks for putting me out of my misery, the suspense was killing me! :? :D
I get the feeling you know someone that would be interested in the vase should it come up for sale (not much gets past me y'know!). I had already thought about this one, and I think I'll probably put the vase back up for auction. I hate to part with any glass, but I believe it would be better appreciated in a specialist collection than in a more general collection like mine, and the proceeds should help me fill the gap quickly.

Lastly, as if you hadn't already done enough, what would the colour be described as? It was described as pink when I bought it, but to me it can look anywhere between a dark purple, to burgundy, to brown depending on the light. Is it a known specific named colourway?

Thanks again everyone for sharing your knowledge, and taking the time to help. :wink:
Pete.

P.S. - Frank, I have a few Caithness brochures from around 98-99 if they're of any use to the new site. Whoever gets the task of running the site would have to sort out the copyrite side of things, but I'd be happy to forward some scans to them if and when needed.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: millarart on March 30, 2006, 06:57:55 PM: Hi Pete,
thanks for your reply and glad i could be of help to someone, and yes you did notice the hint that it would indeed look very nice next to my surface decorated Vasart lamps :lol: and therefore if you did decide to think of selling then please let me know :lol: :shock: :lol: , as for the colour im not too sure as im sure Frank would agree that there is a lot of different Vasart colourways appearing now than there was when i started collecting 5 years ago, when most where pinks and greens , blues, yellows ect. one of my surface decorated lamps looks blue but then nearer the bottom halve it has some pink behind the blue which gives it a purple look , so like you i dont know what colour would best describe it either, its such a pity that Vasart didnt have colourway codes on them like Monart used early on , Franks site did or still does have a colourway section for Vasart though not too sure if it would have what your looking for in it,
Gary
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 30, 2006, 07:54:53 PM: I would appreciate scans, 300dpi please, Caithness are being friendly so I should get approval to use the images from them.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Frank on March 30, 2006, 07:57:19 PM: Vasart colour guide is pretty useless, to create a decent one, like the Monart, it will need someone who can photograph a lot of Vasart in consistent lighting. I certainly do not have enough Vasart to do this.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: Pkay on March 30, 2006, 08:17:59 PM: Hi,

Gary, I'll try to get the vase listed this week, time permitting, and post the details on the 'market place' board, or if you'd prefer to be emailed just let me know.

As Frank says, it's not easy to tell the colours from the Vasart chart.
I'll just describe it as best as I can and let people see it for themselves. This vase also appears darker towards the base, then as you move up the vase there seems to be more of the white showing through.

Frank, I'll have the scans to you within the week hopefully.

Thanks again, & I'll keep you well informed.
Pete.
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: millarart on March 30, 2006, 08:22:17 PM: Hi Pete,
just send me an email that would be great, any idea what you expect for it?
Gary
Title: Possible Vasart V030?
Post by: KevinH on March 30, 2006, 10:39:56 PM: Regarding the production of a decent Vasart colour guide, I may be able to assist with photography as I now have a portable lighting studio (and what seems to be a decent method of correcting colour casts) that will just about guarantee consistency.

What I lack, though, is plenty of Vasart. Anybody in the UK have the items?