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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: Highlandmack on June 10, 2012, 01:12:37 PM
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Hi Friends
This is very similar to a Ysart harelquin that I have but this one has differences, rough pontil extra bubble, do you think it is an earlier version.
this looks like a similar one to a previous post by ahremck (Ross)
can you identify and date please
kind regards Alan
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Hi.
The extra bubble and base suggest to me it is Belgian. Although Paul Ysart used a similar design, I believe that Salvador and Paul he got the idea for these (and fountain/spider weights, and cap badge weights, and sulphide weights) from the time that they spent in Paris before the First World War. There were (and still are) plenty of these designs around that were made in Belgian (and other northern European) glass factories from the late 19th C onwards.
I have attached images of a 5 bubble 'canopy' version, which I believe is Belgian.
I feel that Paul gets too many cap badge weights and slightly unusual harlequin and spider weights attributed to him: he made quite a lot of these designs, but only a modest proportion of all those in circulation!
Alan
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The only thing I would add to Alan's comments is that the European "frit and bubble" weights tend to have a noticeably large "cracked off" area and are quite often unfinished to the extent that they protude below the base, causing the weight to wobble when set on a flat surface.
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Here is a six bubble harlequin (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/710-53481-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=2&pub=5574631383&toolid=10001&campid=5336261829&customid=&icep_item=400251721427&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229508&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg) that is almost certainly from Alsace or Belgium - and the early 20th C date sounds right.
Alan
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Nah! Ground base. Must be Chinese. ;D ;D
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question - do we only count the bubbles round the outside when naming them, not the one in the middle?
m
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Hi m.
Good question. I think that the usual practice is to count the edge bubbles (eg eight) and then call the weight 'an 8 bubble harlequin', rather than 'an 8 + 1 bubble harlequin', which might be more accurate.
Re Kev's comment. Has anyone got a harlequin design paperweight (not just a few random bubbles) that the think might really be Chinese? I would be interested for my prospective article.
Alan
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Just out of interest, here are two pictures of Harlequin weights. The first is an unusual six bubble design which is Vasartbut the second picture is more interesting as it is an early Salavador Ysart and note the tiny tails on the bubbles
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Without looking at the base, I would have ID the second harlequin as a 1930s Paul Ysart Harlequin (and not Salvador's).
Anyway, I still have some learning to do!!!
SophieB
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HI Sophie
It is an intersting an old weight but some of the canes in it have also been seen in Vasart weights and Bottles hence my attribution
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Sorry if it sounded as if I were doubting your attribution. I was not. I was simply stating that this weight would have fooled me!!!
Nice weight, though...
Sophie
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Thank you Alan.