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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on June 17, 2012, 04:11:44 PM
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some minor top rim damage (repaired quite well), but colourway not that common I don't think, so thought people might like to see.
Unsure how the colours are constructed - this sort of thing not my field, so can only say that.........starting at the base it's fairly straightforward uranium......then as it rises there is a distance where it looks opalescent as it starts to mix with the pink, with the uranium green seeming to disappear where the pink is strongest. In fact, it fluoresces quite strongly over the entire outside, but not on the inside of the neck, so presumably cased in uranium. Base shows mould blown effect, and overall the piece is unrefined and a bit lopsided in places. I'm guessing something like 1880 - 1920, and not good enough for Thomas Webb, so probably just Continental ;) Height is about 8.25" - 210mm.
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What on earth could you mean by "just continental" - language, boy, language! This is a most English vase which would not be out of place in any Victorian triffid collection.
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is this what is known as Rubina Verde?
It may not be, but if it is, Dave did an explanation here
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=36921.5;wap2
I hope that link is correct
m
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I think it may well be m..........I should have added that the top rim is ground and polished (and slightly bevelled) - allowing the two separate layers of colour (cranberry on the inside and uranium on the outside) to be seen clearly). For me, this pink didn't seem as strong as other pieces of rubina verde I have, so this process didn't really occur to me. thanks for pointing it out.
I assume Ivo, that when you say triffids, you are referring to the 'thorn vases' produced by Thomas Webb - although they didn't have any pink in them.
I'm sure you'll forgive a little English humour, I did include the wink - but very much appreciate the 'boy' - if only I was, I'm not going to see 49 again ;)
thanks to both of you.
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Could be Bohemian, could be English
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Could be Bohemian, could be English
Could indeed ... and could be very happy in my 'triffid' collection! ;D (Although it actually looks rather more like a fat lady holding her head, to me! :D ) I like it! ;)
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I appreciate the compliments, thanks. I've been asked to keep this for the time being, so will be staying with me for a while. :)
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I have seen probably 50 different shapes from this unknown maker, all in this color combination.
The vast majority of them have a blown mold pattern that looks like repeating shells on the outside of the piece. I generically have come to call them PEACOCK, as they are bright and have that repeating feather or shell pattern, but that is just my wording for it. I have never seen it in print.
While the process is the same as Rubina Verde, it is opaque pink, not transparent cranberry, so it can't be called Rubina Verde.
I suspect they were all made at a factory in Bohemia that had high production, as i see them frequently. I have ALSO seen that same method of manufacture, along with the same blown mold repeating pattern on the outside, but with opaque robin's egg blue instead of the opaque pink.
Here are a couple more examples to show you (I have long ago sold these pieces)
http://www.vaselineglass.org/peacockvasebl1.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/peacockvasebl1.jpg)
http://www.vaselineglass.org/peacockposeybl1.jpg (http://www.vaselineglass.org/peacockposeybl1.jpg)
Dave Peterson
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thanks for your comments and information Dave - certainly a striking colour similarity with your first set of pictures showing the handled ewers and urn shapes. I think it was the lack of a more strident red that confused me initially.........attached is a bowl we've seen before showing a genuine cranberry, which it's probably correct to describe as 'rubina verde'. For these pink examples, perhaps we might narrow down the date line to 1880 - 1900.
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Paul S
I think everyone would agree that the cup you showed in the post above is rubina verde, as a generic name for the color combination. 'Rubina Verde' with capital letters is a trade name by Hobbs, Brockunier & Co., and I don't think they made that cup. But, good example.
Dave