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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: selina on June 18, 2012, 11:54:42 AM
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I purchased this recently with the usual story behind it. Came from the gentleman's mother's estate. He was in his 60's and she had been in her 90's. They (his parents) travelled extensively overseas and bought back items from all over the world. He had a small portion and it was amazing the items they had. Anyway this little vase was amongst all the porcelain and antique bits and pieces. So as far as I know its vintage.. He had no idea about it and even asked another lady if the price was ok. She had no idea either.
Its iridescent, trailed. The first pic is the closest to the actual colour which is a cranberry almost. Purple pink green sheen etc. The flash has distorted the colour in the other pics. I can't seem to find another vase with that shape. Small and squat... approx 12cm. Was very dirty and I still can't get it fully cleaned. Any suggestions appreciated as I guess it could be from anywhere.
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I'd look at Kralik threaded on http://www.kralik-glass.com/ though you may need to look at other decors for the shape
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Agree with Christine,it looks like it may have been cut down,could we have a close up of the rim please ;D
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Well it seems I have a love affair happening with Kralik as I always seem to be attracted to his work. So it wouldn't surprise me if it is.
One of the first things I asked was if it had been cut down and he said it had always been like that for as long as he could remember. I cant seem to get any decent shots, the one in the first post seems to be the best...
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I forgot to put the size of the rim, its only 2.5cm outer rim to rim and 1cm for inner rim. So it would have only held a bud Im guessing?
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At first I was not so sure about it being damaged and cut down but looking at this lot I think Christine and Keith are spot on: http://www.kralik-glass.com/frametemplate.html
Still nice though.
John
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I've looked right through the decors. The trailing is definitely similar but I can't see any shapes that even resemble what it would be, even if it was cut down. And a few of the other vases listed have the same rim.
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Sorry, wrong link in my previous post, take a look at this array, photos 4, 7 & 8 look to be the same shape as yours: http://www.kralik-glass.com/kraliktooledthreadedarray.html
Your base colour here (different thread colour): http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralik-images/veined/kv16.jpg
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I can't see that they are the same shape to be honest. They look to have a small 'foot' and the shape of the 'bowl' of the vase looks slightly different, and where the neck on Selina's vase goes in quite obviously those ones appear to not have the same shape either.
I'm not so sure it has been cut down, but I could be wrong. It's a kind of 'gourd' shape in it's own way.
When you look at the rim under a magnifying glass is it bevelled on the inside and out? oops redundant question as I can see that it is. I suppose the only thing that would worry me is the trailing seeming to go right over the rim where is is cut. It looks a bit curious,but perhaps that would happen whereever it had been cut? I don't know anything about blowing glass and whether or not that might happen on these threaded pieces.
m
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The colour is closest, but the shapes dont match at all. There is no foot on mine, and I sat the vase near it and compared..I can't find anything with that 'gourd' shape. Flying free I agree. And I don't know anything about the cutting down either. :D
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The base on yours is very similar to mine but I still think it may have been reduced looking at it's proportions,here's mine to compare ;D just noticed the d..t! :o
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your threading doesn't go into the rim does it Keith?
m
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No m,none of the threaded Kralik pieces I have do,that's one of the reasons I thought it may have been cut down ;D
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yes that was my little area of doubt.
mm,maybe it has been cut down then.
m
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Hi there, It is an interesting piece. You may want to look here instead of threaded.....
http://www.kralik-glass.com/kralikveinedarray.html
If you have good macro on your camera a large format closeup of the polished rim may show detail that would allow to see if the rim work is recent quality or not..... I generally find most cut downs do not have the quality rim polish you find from the old cold rooms. They generally, in my experience, show grind marks of some sort that you generally do not see on old work.
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Looking at the rim pic and comparing it to my Kralik rims, the finish looks original: nice and shiny
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I'm sticking with my original thought - I don't think that rim looks cut down, I also think I've seen this vase shape somewhere before maybe in a blue colour but I can't find it at the moment, and I don't think it looks like a cut down shape to me. It's a variant of a gourd shape.
m
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This thread has shown me I need to update my camera!! I've taken 3. Shows up the chips nicely LOL....
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I still have vague concerns about the threading showing that far up but that rim looks original to me. If I get some time this afternoon I'll have a trawl and try and find the blue vase I found in the similar shape.
m
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The threading on this is cut off at the top
http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=1217
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I have seen the threading both ways. I think it is just hit and miss and really does not relate to if a piece is cut down or not. Edge finish to me is going to be the biggest indicator unless I recognize the piece as part of a different form.
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Are those pics good enough to see the finish? Or should I try again?
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Been looking at my pieces again and what Craig said matches with these pic's,the green one,cut and polished with no veins but the overshot piece has intruding veins,just my long winded way of saying I'm wrong,probably ::), about your piece being cut down ::) ;D ;D
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So am I going with Kralik? (surprise because I just seem to pick them) And not cut down? Or similar to Kralik at this stage...
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I would go with Kralik
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I second it ;D