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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: msiscoe on June 30, 2012, 07:57:15 PM
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Hello, I have seen this vase in clear and also pink glass, and wondered if anyone knew who the maker was. It looks Czech to me.....
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hi, please could you make your pictures bigger?
It is impossible to see the detail in them as they do not blow up large enough.
thanks
m
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Hello, I tried that, and was told the file was too large....
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sorry I don't know how to resize but the ones I post are600 x 400 if that helps.
m
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I'll give it another shot....
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excellent, thanks.
For some reason I think this has been on the board recently but unidentified :-\ I'll have a search and see if I can find it. I think it was in pink.
m
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Thank you for your time....I think it is very influenced by Rene' Lalique's work, especially the Danaides vase....
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unfortunately I think the one I was thinking of was this one which is not the same at all :-[
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,30773.msg166891.html#msg166891
I'll keep looking though as I'm sure it's been on here before.
m
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That's a nice one too....I'd like to get my hands on one!
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For what its worth I recognized this vase immediately. There is a dealer in my mall that has a large paragraph above a pair of these which have black bases...I think you call them pilths in europe. While I forget the guy's name in the paragraph, he was influenced by Lalique when he worked at or for Etling at which time he set out on his own & produced a few patterns in Deco style. Whether the dealer knows what he is talking about I don't know, however I am 100% positive this is the exact vase as his pair only minus the black bases. Ken
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Was it D'Avesn?
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Not sure if it helps at all but, in another message (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28034.msg152618.html#msg152618), Mike M gave some detail of the historic connections of Etling, Choisy-le-Roi, D'Avesn, Sevres. From that information it is very likely that D'Avesn was, indeed, the name of the person mentioned in Ken's post above as being influenced by Lalique
And combining that info with selections from Ivo's glass fact file a-z, I think it would be difficult to ascertain whether or not the unmarked vase in question could have been made at Choisy-le-Roi for the Etling outlet, or was a continuation of D'Avesn designs after Sevres took over Choisy-le-Roi, or was made by some other company.
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Hi there
I don't think its French. More likely to be made in Czechoslovakia.
Cheers
Brenton
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I am going back to the mall (hopefully) on this Thursday if power is restored as its closed now. I know its the same vase & I know the paragraph states the name of the individual involved & it is French plus I definately remember the Etling connection. Again though I do not have any idea whether or not the writeup is accurate, but I will report back. I said hopefully because Ohio is under a state of emergency now because of the massive storm that ripped through the central U.S. yesterday covering 1,100 miles in 14 hours while maintaining its size & strength from Illinois to Maryland. Most all the states it hit will be declaring emergencies beside Ohio, West Virginia & Virginia. Right now 3.2 million homes across 6 states & millions of people are without power & that number is rising...may be up to 10 days before things return to normal. It cut a swath 70 miles wide X 15 miles length & at 85+ mile winds with microbursts over 100 mph it was all over in less than 15 minutes leaving near everything flattened. If everything goes OK I'll post next Thursday with the info.
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Good grief Ken, it sounds dreadful over there, I hope power and normality can soon be restored. It seems the weather is erratic all around the globe at the moment. :(
By the way, the black bases you mentioned, we call them plinths over here. :)
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OK I went to the mall today as it reopened Tuesday from the power outage. This is a synopsis of what the dealer had on the poster board writeup. The design was by George De Feure a multimedia artist Dutchman. It should date around 1900. De Feure made the design then had the molds made & then produced, but it doesn't say by whom. Also there was an interesting (or at least I thought so) sidenote that stated De Feure had backing for the project from Touloose Lautrec before he passed as they were friends. I cannot vouch for the accuracy...all I am doing is passing on what was written. Ken
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Hello
I have this same vase in frosted amber,and I have also owned it in opalescent glass.They came in 3 sizes.
Now I myself believe them to be made by Josef Inwald/Barolac....I say this because the range of colours these vases came in such as turquoise,opalescent,green,etc are the same colours as Inwald produced.Particularly turquoise and opalescent which not all glass manufacturers specialised in.
There is still a lot of Inwald pieces that have yet to be identified.....
Nige
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Ken do you think the dealer may have been confusing this vase with another De Feure vase that depicts women? Having googled De Feure there seemed to be many pics of a pressed glass vase that depicted women carrying things but was very different to original one on this thread.
m
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I agree with Nigel, well at least as far as the possible Inwald connection. I wouldn't describe this vase as being from the Barolac range though as as far as I'm aware it's not catalogued as such and the mould quality is embarrassingly poor when put next to documented Barolac pieces! (it's true, I had one of these vases but moved it on as, although a great-looking piece from a distance, I wasn't impressed by either the derivative design or the rather poor modelling on the figures...)
This design has certainly been on the board before - I remember Nigel's opalescent example and at least one other. Hajdamach shows it with a Sowerby attribution but that is almost certainly an error. As well as the three sizes which Nigel has noted, it exists in versions with a straight vertical rim and with various degrees of flanging.
This has no connection whatsoever to Georges de Feure's work other than that he is known to have designed a vase with a vaguely similar classical theme, but in reality, as M has stated, the two vases are worlds apart. De Feure's mass-produced work in glass (i.e. not his stained glass, etc.) is typically marked and seems limited to two basic designs, both of which are well-documented.
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M...evidently he (the dealer) has confused them with someone else according to the comments I've read. They are (the pair) identical to the ones posted. Well thats why I said I was only reporting what he had written on the paper with them. Obviously I should have Googled De Feure before posting instead of just relying on the paper. Sorry for the false alarm. Ken
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Ken,no false alarm, discussion is always a good thing :)
m
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Instead of Inwald, I would say Libochovice.
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I also had this in Uranium green but never confirmed a maker, generally thought to be Czech
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Instead of Inwald, I would say Libochovice.
Hi, just wondering if you have any evidence for this attribution? I did also once suspect Libochovice as a possible maker as I've seen a turquoise from them which was a close colour match to one of these vases. However, the fact that an opalescent one (Nigel's) has turned up meant I was leaning more towards Reich or Inwald as I've not seen any opalescent glass from Libochovice.
Until we find some documentary evidence (pattern book, advert, sales catalogue, etc.) I suspect it is going to have to remain a mystery... :(
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Hi Steven
That's only my guessing. The storks on this vase looks very similar to a float bowl (also unidentified) which often seen to match one of the libochovice centrepieces (like the frog on the bullrushes). I've also seen this vase in dark blue and the shade is very identical to the penguin float bowl which is also made by Libochovice. I have never seen a piece of opalescent glass made by Libochovice, but having said that, it doesn;t mean they don't make them...maybe just a small batch??
Cheers
Brenton
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The opalescent vase reminds me of Joblings fish salad bowl for colouring.
I must admit the moulding on the opalescent vase is quite inferior to the say amber one I have.
I have only ever come across opalescent glass in Reich-which if you look at the 2nd picture has a thick opalescent quality to it so it's not Reich I don't think.
When I think of the Inwald dancing lady centrepiece/flamingoes I have seen in turquoise and I have seen this vase in turquoise and the only other turquoise glass I seem to remember is Schweig,Mueller and Co.
There is also a large kneeling lady lamp on a circualar stepped plinth that I have seen in the Turquoise glass so I always wondered if she was made by Inwald or Mueller.
Nige