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Title: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2012, 03:02:39 PM

A number 702 do you think?
https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home/registered-designs/molineaux-webb-unregistered-pressed-glass/misc

Unfortunately, the poor thing seems to have spent a huge chunk of its life being used under something (that's OK) but upside down  :'(

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Anne on July 22, 2012, 04:49:18 PM

That looks like a match, Christine!

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: flying free on July 22, 2012, 08:35:12 PM

I have one that is similar in a teal blue green colour.  Mine is 3.5" widest diameter (measuring point to point) on the base.  It flares out very very slightly from the top to the base.  It also has a 16point star in the base recessed in.
Pics attached - Christine and I have just confirmed that hers is smaller in diameter by 1/2".  Could it be that one is Molineaux Webb and the other Percival Vickers perhaps?
Christine it's difficult to tell from the pics but is your star base recessed into the insulator at all?  on the photos it looks like mine has a deeper base than yours perhaps?
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Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 22, 2012, 09:14:05 PM

Mine has a curved in base about 0.5 in deep. The sides also slope in ever so slightly. Maximum diameter about 3.125 in (yeah I know you shouldn't do metric inches). I also think perhaps your top chamfer is wider

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: flying free on July 22, 2012, 09:25:45 PM

ok, these look like two different pieces then.
Mine doesn't have a curved in base, it's literally straight sides from a seam as though someone sunk the base or pushed it into the insulator.  It's completely flat.  Re the chamfer mine has a soft seam line running round the sides near the top but then the top curves gently over and goes flat,i.e no real chamfre with definite lines for it if you see what I mean.  I'm going to take some clearer pics of each bit and post them :)
3 1/2" widest at base (point to point )
1 3/4" total height
2" diameter of top opening circle
2 1/4"diameter of base opening circle
base sunk in to approx 1/4"
3 1/4" widest diameter at top point to point widest.
Foot rest sunk in to about 3/4"
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Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 23, 2012, 06:03:31 AM

I think these are different beasts...

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: agincourt17 on July 23, 2012, 09:34:36 AM

Try seeking the opinion of NeilH of https://sites.google.com/site/molwebbhistory/Home

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 23, 2012, 10:22:06 AM

He looks in here anyway

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: neilh on July 23, 2012, 06:24:03 PM

The only thing I can add - there are some categories of pressed pieces, such as tumblers, where trying to identify the glassworks is virtually impossible as the designs tended to be common and unremarkable. I guess you have to decide if piano insulators fall into that category or whether you think it's realistic to attribute them to a glassworks, when one finds an unregistered piece which matches a catalogue image.

To give an example of the problem, I have two early plates which appear in the Molineaux Webb catalogue - a Queen Victoria coronation plate, and a lacy Sandwich style plate. I would dearly like to be 100% sure my plates are by Molineaux Webb, but realistically, I know other glassworks were likely producing the same item, or with slight variations. I can prove Molineaux Webb used the pattern, but I can't prove nobody else did - and that's with a complex plate design.

Title: Re: Molineaux Webb piano insulator?
Post by: Lustrousstone on July 23, 2012, 07:06:20 PM

Thanks Neil. I'll mark it a ?