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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on August 04, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
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I just put this on here for fun really. I'm supposed to be doing other boring things :)
I'm not too bothered who made it but thoughts would be nice :)
I'm very fond of these vases and this type of cased old glass - they are all different, all have white interiors, but are top quality and quite heavy for size. As an example the red Carnelian vase weighs about 1lb or just under 1/2kg, compared to the opaque 'Bohemian' vases enamelled with flowers, often sold as 'Bristol enamelled vase', of the same size that weighs just 200grms.
This yellow ball vase is mould blown I thought from the top, with an impeccably neat base (matt ring of wear around the outer edge) but has a firepolished rim. Perhaps it was freeblown? The white interior is thick and is uranium glass. The rim measures 3.5-4mm The gilding is sadly worn to a shadow as it would have looked stupendous when it was new.
It's a large piece at 5 3/4" tall (14.5cm) by 6 1/4 diameter (16cm ).
The yellow is a true perfect yellow, not caramel or amberish
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All great pieces,any chance of a close up on the ball vase enamel work,I should be doing boring stuff also,promised to do some sewing! :o :o ;D ;D
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close ups and thanks :)
The gilding or what's left of it, goes all round the vase in branches and leaves. There are groups of the white enamel (which I think is quite old) flowers all round as well with the odd falling petal here and there. There should have been a gilded ring around the neck of the rim and on the rim. The one on the rim is mostly gone, the one around the neck is faintly mostly there.
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Somehow it doesn't scream Bohemia to me but... (PS I have just done a bit more editing but no HW)
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oh... hmmm, perhaps I just wrongly veered straight to Bohemian in my thoughts because I had a huge black enamelled vase that had masses of flowers all over and had the falling petals. Whilst that was a good quality vase, this is one step up I think and is of the same quality as the Loetz Marmoriertes, that kind of weight and finish etc.
Were you thinking maybe English?
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Maybe ???
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This has some similarities in terms of the way the vase is made and cased.
It is identified as Thomas Webb but no reference - the decoration is different - it's gilding is superb and no white enamel, but there are definite similarities with the body of the vase.
http://www.rubylane.com/item/365154-RL-320/English-Webb-Small-Art-Glass
could my yellow ball vase be Thomas Webb at all? or is that out of the question for any reason?
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It's only my opinion but I doubt the red one is Webbs the quality of the enamel work is not fine enough and the finish to the base,the yellow one looks more Bohemian,French maybe but I have been known to be wrong :o on occasions! ;D ;D
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Well I thought both might be Harrach maybe :-\
However is that mayfly on the red one a known Harrach 'emblem'. Have you seen anything like that on Webb pieces? I only know about the butterfly?
I might have to trawl some books again.
m
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Webb is a bit of a catchall in the US. I would say that perhaps the red one is not Webb. I'd be interested to see what is under the gilding. A lot of the Bohemian gilding is raised by yellow piping, whereas English gilding often seems to use something dark
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Yes I was looking at it but it looks to me like the red one has white enamel outlines? with the gilding inside and over the outlines. It doesn't look like that yellow raised 'base enamel' I've seen on other pieces.
Mine seems to have been gilded directly onto the vase and then has the white enamel flowers seemingly as a separate colour decoration. There's no sign of gilding on the white flowers.
The base of mine is neater in finish but there is still a tiny patch right in the centre where you can faintly see white through.
They have both have a gilded ring around the base of the neck - lots of manufacturers did this but just making comparisons.
I would say from photographs they are similar good quality with that very thick white interior - mine weighs 1 3/4lb or about 820 grms.
m
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The red piece looks very Harrach like to me
The base colour looks to be 'ox blood' -not uniquely Harrach but one of their favourite colours
cheers
M
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The yellow ball looks a bit like a ginger jar minus a lid.... ???
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It really isn't minus a lid - well I'm 99.99% sure it isn't :)
has that shape about it though.
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:)
ok!
Just a vague thought m, that you may have been passing over images of ginger jars in your relentless pursuit of an id. ;D
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I've taken that on board and shall be searching for ginger jars this evening ... just in case :)
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I accidentally happened upon this one :)
This is what mine should look like with the gilding intact. Madforglass site has it under English but no explanation of who-
Anyone feel it looks more English now all the decoration can be seen more clearly? should I ask for the header to be changed perhaps just in case?
http://www.madforglass.es/en/english167.html
Mod: I had trouble with the above link, so have located the page (current at 16/12/19) for the single item and added the link below:
https://madforglass.com/index.php/english-scottish-1
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Just adding this in case it becomes relevant at some point in the future - I happened upon the above linked vase again and this time the version with all the gilding and enamel intact is named as Stevens and Williams. No source reference and I think a couple of the other items under their English section are a query so it's just for reference rather than a firm id.
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Hi There, Found this quite interesting i have a large heavy vase in a local antiques center its been
in it for a few years for £16 similar to what you may class as spatter glass but as you mentioned
with the red vase its extremely heavy and feels real quality with a white inner and this protrudes
through on the base also, Although not as red it is from memory very similar squarish profile with
a cut rim i am deliberating to purchase it for my collection so maybe able to post a likeness picture in
the near future for comparison as i too believe it maybe an English manufacturer :)