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Title: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 15, 2012, 06:14:52 PM
When I first spotted this I thought Skrdlovice but not so sure now as I have not been able to find another.  It is very well made, polished base with fine arris, 30cm long and it is heavy.

Can anyone put a name to it?

John

Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: chopin-liszt on August 15, 2012, 06:31:58 PM
Gerald? Maximillian? Kurt?

Is it a fish? I see a grumpy badger, with it's bum in the air, barking or coughing. ;D

elegant bit of glass though.  8)
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: Anik R on August 15, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
I don't know the answer to your question, but I think the fish is simply fantastic. And great photos too.
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 15, 2012, 10:09:32 PM
Thanks Anik, I am very fond of it too.

Now why didn't I think of an angry badger with an elevated bottom? ;D

John
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: kane_u_pain on August 16, 2012, 09:32:10 AM
My opinion is Murano on the fish. I love this style of fish and have seen several over the past 2-3 yrs for sale, but unfortunately have been unable to purchase due to lack of cash. So they go for a good price!

The style reminds me of some Cenedese and SVdA pieces I have seen (the back fins and the simplicity of the shape). Not saying yours could be one of them though as I have not seen anything similar to you piece. But it could be a direction to look in. I would also consider Murano due to the sommerso style.

Absolutely stunning piece. Am really jealous! Me, still on the lookout for a good SVdA fish I can snap up when I have the cash at the right moment  ::)
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: kane_u_pain on August 16, 2012, 09:33:42 AM
Forget to add as I was drooling, mid 50's to mid 60's I think.
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 16, 2012, 05:16:01 PM
Thanks Kane. It was the simplicity of the shape that was pushing me away from Murano and towards Czechoslovakia. ;D

The key is being open to any and all possibilities...

John
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: rocco on August 16, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
Stunning piece John (and beautiful pics).

I don't know if it is Czech or Murano or ...
But if it is Czech, I am rather sure it is not Skrdlovice.
ZBS could be a contender; we had a vase here on the board a while ago in a very similar colourway, which I would have attributed to ZBS without much doubt:
>> Link (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,47628)

On Jindrich's site are some photographs from the Zelezny Brod Museum showing pieces in a similar style to your fish (unfortunately not more info regarding designer or date visible):
>> Link 1 (https://picasaweb.google.com/104509467784289017506/MuseumZeleznyBrod2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCP32qaus7sLMqAE&noredirect=1#5437030479972008050)
>> Link 2 (https://picasaweb.google.com/104509467784289017506/MuseumZeleznyBrod2009?authkey=Gv1sRgCP32qaus7sLMqAE&noredirect=1#5437030514163838466)

a jealous ;D Michael
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 16, 2012, 09:27:37 PM
Thank you Michael!

Interesting that you should throw up ZBS, the colours of this fish do fit very well.

Some lovely glass in Jindrich's album and photo 328 gives the designer of those fish as Rony Plesl (zoom in, top right).  Are they named Occo and Bart? :D
Wow, does he design some funky glass: http://ronyplesl.com/

So, one of his or inspired by? ;D

John



Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: rocco on August 17, 2012, 12:09:39 PM
ZBS was just an idea -- it might still be Murano 8)
>> Link (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Seltene-Murano-Seguso-Henkelschale-Entwurf-F-Poli-/370632120290?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item564b6557e2) to a basket in a similar colourway on German ebay with a Murano label (I am not sure about the Seguso / Poli attribution)

Michael
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: art-of-glass on August 18, 2012, 10:06:38 AM
Such a slick design, I love it!! My vote would be for Czech.

ZBS was just an idea -- it might still be Murano 8)
>> Link (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Seltene-Murano-Seguso-Henkelschale-Entwurf-F-Poli-/370632120290?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item564b6557e2) to a basket in a similar colourway on German ebay with a Murano label (I am not sure about the Seguso / Poli attribution)

Michael

Unfortunately, Flavio Poli has turned into a generic word like Holmegaard is used for anything bright with white interior, Loetz for anything iridescent, so on & so forth.

Dan
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on August 18, 2012, 09:38:03 PM
The colours in that basket look to be a little different, the basket appears dark blue and light blue, the fish is dark blue and bluey green (more green than blue). Tricky comparing tones like this. ;D

Scandinavian anyone? :D

John
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: Otis Orlando on August 19, 2012, 12:18:34 AM
Hi John,   Nice striking piece of organic glass sculpture!  Have you tried searching via. Pina Sinoretto?   I seem to recall seeing something very similar to this whilst browsing.  ::).  Here's another sculpture that  has the sommerso effect even though it is a significant difference to yours. 

http://www.rubylane.com/item/605831-571/Elegant-Murano-Sommerso-Glass-Fish
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on May 30, 2013, 11:44:37 AM
Thanks Otis (my apologies for the delay), Sinoretto's work seems more figural and not quite as abstract as this fish/badger/snail. ;D

Bumping for another 'airing'.

John
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: flying free on May 30, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
it's not an Exbor piece is it?  I'm sure you've already exhausted that angle and someone else would have said if it was, but it was just a thought  :-[
m
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: flying free on May 30, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
It's hard to tell with colours but this pear reminded me of your fish
http://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/125948474/salviati-co-murano-sommerso-glass-pear?ref=v1_other_1
m
Title: Re: Abstract fish, Czech or Italia?
Post by: glassobsessed on May 31, 2013, 07:45:19 AM
I am open to all possibilities m, Exbor does seem unlikely though but only because their fish are well documented. Is this fish too abstract for Murano? Massive generality I know, probably easy to shoot that idea down in flames....