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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Jay on April 07, 2006, 07:36:33 PM
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Pamela and I have struggled a bit with this very plain range of pressed glass, frequently found in Holland.
Perhaps this is a VSL product? or maybe Ivo can help?
http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index66.html
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or maybe Ivo can help?
Sorry I haven't got a clue. But VSL I don't think so - it is just not their style.
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Jay, let me post and answer here again simultaneously what all should be able to read:
You suggested Walther
I suggested Bernsdorf because of the POTSDAM shape
I suspect Saxonia (Walther and Bernsdorf) due to the colours
the brownish pink leeds to Czech - see Markhbeinn items from there
the bluegreenturquoise: in my life I shall never ever dare to describe this colour or name it - no idea really! :?
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http://ns14.hosteur.com/~pourespa/images/VSL-LUXVAL/VSLV_100.jpg
shows a VSL pattern called "Moulure Ritz" which is very similar but not 100% convincing for me.
In Darvani's pictures the ribs look heavier.
The overview page is;
http://users.cybernet.be/darvani/LUXVAL_1935_02.htm
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not really Jay, ours are not arched that VSL way
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The divider reminds me of the divider on the Boule (Inwald) pattern. Which was exported to America and was thought at first to be Candlewick pattern made by Imperial Glass. Other than that not a clue, Terry
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Pic of Marcus' Divided serving plate in Rudolf Schrotter's "Boule" pattern 1935, from Josef Inwald/Sklarny Inwald/Sklo Union Teplice. Amethyst, diameter 21cms/8" inch
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10018/normal_Schrotterboule.jpg
The bluegreenturquoise color of it is similar to what Americans call "teal" but not quite.
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I like this yellow vase (http://www.hogelandshoeve.nl/66pix/question%205s.jpg)
Similar shape to some VSL Luxval and also a couple of items on Pamela's site but nothing the same. The only other source I can think of it pressglas-korrespondenz - eeeeek !!!
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On the horizontal optic rib vase - so many companies did vases like this - I know of 3, that I think it's going to be hard to pin down. I have one myself which I can't ID
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Jay and all please,
again just another find in the catalogues today: (while searching for a completely different piece :twisted: )
yours are also very similar to Holmegaard 1938-1941 Tafel 7 Diverses
all opinions highly appreciated as always :)
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just try to explain:
the Holmegaard pages show exactly Jay's bowl's shape -a Bernsdorf Potsdam without star base. But: I may repeat here, bases were interchangeble
The matching Potsdam creamer of my collection does not bear a star base also... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Pooh, who except Dieter Neumann and Siegmar Geiselberger are able to contribute?
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Hi Jay, Pamela and all,
IMHO, this is probably Inwald's "Teplitz" range. Designed by Rudolf
Schrötter between 1936 and 1945. A very limited number (12) of products made up the range. This pattern is shown in the product catalogue of Vereinigte Böhmische Glasindustrie A.G., the name used for Josef Inwald, by the forces occupying the Sudetenland between 1938 and 1945.
Product catalogue page 30. No exact date for the catalogue, but contemporary.
The two items on Jay's site appear to be a bowl (product number 12347/B), which was produced in five sizes, and divided plate, produced in three sizes, pattern number 12368.
Regards,
Marcus
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This would also fit the 'distribution' of the items. They are often found alongside the 'Boule' (Inwald) pattern, and alongside bullet vases, during our scavenging. Certainly there is plenty of Inwald (post war) to be found in The Netherlands.
Actually judging by the large number of 'repro' deco designs now 'flooding' into the antiques markets form that corner, the trade with that part of the world is still very strong today!
Many thanks Marcus!
P.S.
Five 'deep' bowls (yes, they probably 'nested')
3 hors d'oevres plates (fairly typical)
I know that there are two? flat 'gateaux plates!?
What are the other listed items? Is there any indication of colours?
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Hi Jay,
Teplitz is arguably a dessert service.
Non-lipped bowl, patt no 12347/A in five sizes
Lipped bowl, 12347/B in five sizes
Creamer 12381
Footed lipped, fruit bowl, 12367
Footed lipped shallow fruit dish, 12390
Flat base non-lipped, deep fruit bowl 12363
Footed, lipped bowl with underplate 12369
Footed, lipped bowl 12370
Covered dish 12396
Plate, flat, 12356 in five sizes including 280mm therefore gateau???
Plate, raised rim, 12357, five sizes including 265mm likewise tortenplatte???
Divided serving plate 12368.
No colour range indicated, but I would think that the standard full Inwald colour range would have been available.
Regards,
Marcus
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Many thanks, Marcus.
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No problem, Jay.
I would like to point out that there is now very little pressed glass capacity left in the Czech and Slovak Republics. IMHO, the long production runs involved with many of these patterns, suggests that there are still very high volumes of these items finding their way to secondary markets, rather than massive quantities of "repro" Inwald patterns being made. I know of only one Czech manufacturer, still producing any Inwald/Sklo Union patterns, and then only Schrötter's "Perforal" pattern designed in 1947, and poor definition items from the "Barolac" range.
Regards,
Marcus
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I recently received the following contibution from one of my readers.
"Je vous envois ces quelques photos pour vous permettre d' identifier cette coupe qui provient du Val Saint Lambert en Belgique.Elle porte toujours l' étiquette "LUXVAL" et est marquée en relief " BELGE "
From another source there has been the suggestion that the pattern is called 'Eclats. If anybody can confirm this from catalogues then it would be much appreciated and we can tie this up?!