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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: vambo on April 17, 2006, 12:23:35 PM
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Hi there,
My 1st post here. I have a piece of glass which is ringing bells with me but I can't put a name to it, just wondered if anybody here could help.
This is it:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/vamboman/What/PA110008.jpg)
It's about 9 inches tall and extremely heavy.
Any ideas ?
Thanks
Paul
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Hi Paul & welcome :P I have the same vase in a different colourway (green with blue prunts). I bought it in Falmouth some months ago, which probably doesn't help in any way :? Its a quality piece of glass, and as you say, extremely heavy. Mine appears to have age related wear on the base. I initially thought may be Scandinavian, but I haven't been able to track it down, so hopefully someone might know :P
Nice to see another one :wink:
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Hi Anne, yes mine has age related wear to the base as well. It was bought in Kent about three months ago and no-one I've spoken to so far can put a name to it :(
Paul
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Hi Paul & Wecome,
Max don't you have similar which you ID'd from the literature as by Luciano Gaspari for Salviati ?
Ooops it's me, Pete, posting incognito from Lakeland.
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Brilliant memory you have Ray! :shock: Edit: PETER! :lol:
Yes, I have something similar, but not the same.
(http://i3.tinypic.com/vskza1.jpg)
I didn't identify this as possibly Luciano Gaspari, but Gareth/Taylog did from an auction site. He sent me a picture of the one he'd seen and it was identical to mine, only about 2" shorter.
I also gave photos of this vase to Sothebys, but they were hopeless and sent me a load of unrelated photocopies of Gaspari vases...they couldn't pin this down as Gaspari, but I don't think that's conclusive evidence that it isn't Gaspari to be honest.
My vase is tremendously heavy btw with a thick ground and polished base. Sorry I can't be more help Paul. vamboman?
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Hmmm the prunts are different but there does look to be a family resemblance. What about comparing bases and rims >>>> ?
The shape of Pauls looks Riihimaki but thats just an observation - nothing more. I'm not aware that they ever did prunts.
I also have doubts about Sotheby's identification capabilities. Unless its obviously one of the premier league of "names" I don't think they try very hard.
Back again as me.
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Hi folks, thanks for your efforts :wink:
As suggested: The base of my piece is completely flat and very well polished, the rim is very smooth and rounded.
My 'feeling' is that the main body was produced from a mould rather than being hand-blown so there must be more out there somewhere :)
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Flat polished bases suggest Murano or Czech
Prunts suggests Czech and less likely Murano but these are generalisations.
If there are no mold lines in evidence then they were most likely mold blown.
Anne, could you post a photo of yours ? The shade of green might give some clues.
Hopefully Marcus and Laura will comment. Chuggy, Ivo any thoughts ? I have changed the title to be more descriptive and hopefully attract their attention.
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Ivo any thoughts ?
I think Sweden but cannot prove anything
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Peter - as requested pic. of my green version.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/glassie/prunts005.jpg
It has rounded polished rim ¼" thick, and a 1" thick base.
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Thanks Ivo
Swedish ! Hmm anyone particular in mind so that we can google and compare ?
We have discussed Scandi with prunts here before and had trouble finding examples. Max came up with this item with very simple prunts by Severin Brorby, Hadeland
http://www.utopiaretromodern.com/vetro3.htm
now much similarity there ..
Thanks Anne
That green looks Czech to me but I might just be seeing Czech wherever I look ....possible as the madness progresses ......erg ...gurgle
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Peter,
Sorry, database is bare.
Generally I tend to associate prunts with Germany/black forest in my mind, can't put my finger on it why though.
Did spot this when googling - last item on page.
http://www.garykirsnerauctions.com/auct2201/22019.htm
this colour scheme is clearly used a lot.
taylog1
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Prunts have been used by many glasmakers and I do not think they are specific for any region. Venetian glass uses lots of prunts, mostly small ones. Bohemian and German forest glass uses somewhat larger ones. But in all older products these have a function. Prunts were used to stop greasy glasses from slipping through your fingers when passing them on during banquets - because the one guest one glass custom is relatively new. Companies like Josephinenhütte Teresienthal, Fritz Heckert and Köln Ehrenfeld all made traditional tableware with prunts "in the German tradition".
The really smack-on blobs in contrasting colours as a designer statement seem to be something from the 1970ies. I have seen those on Russian and Polish glass, Bang used them in the 30ies and so did Copier, they have been used in Italy and in Norway and Czechoslovakia. But Sweden and Belgium should not be ruled out either. In short, we're not getting anywhere with the item @ hand.
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http://koti.mbnet.fi/jost/roudella.htm
Prunts - Just for interest, one from Riihimaen Lasi Oy, Finland.
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http://koti.mbnet.fi/jost/roudella.htm
Prunts - Just for interest, one from Riihimaen Lasi Oy, Finland.
I'm not sure they're really prunts Anne, because they're not applied, they're molded. :? Anyway, :D thanks for reminding me of that piece of glass...I think someone on the board owns a similar piece...Della perhaps?
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Sorry, I don't have that piece.......wish I did. :wink:
I have quite a few Riihimaen pieces now, 3 in the same colour as the vase originally posted, but not one with prunts.
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Thanks Max. I've just checked my vase again and I guess the 'prunts' on mine are molded also and not applied. They are all identical size/shape. :P
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Have just been searching old posts re prunts, I appreciate this is an old thead and everyone probably now knows that this is probably a Josef hospodka design. See Mark Hill's book Hi Sklo Lo Sklo (I do not have a copy so cannot give a page no.).
John
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Pages 40 /41
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Looks like Czechoslovakian piece designed by Frantisek Koudelka for Prachen glassworks in 60ties.
Jindrich
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Time for a wee bump I think. :thud:
I am still trying to get a reliable attribution for this vase. Having just trawled through a large proportion of CGR I am beginning to think it may not be Czech, so I am really lost now. :cry:
John
Eek! This is the wrong thread! :pb:
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Re prunts: Prunts originate on drinking vessels made for export to German territories, as well as other areas in European during the 15th C, and were incorporated to prevent slippage. A prunt is a blob of molten glass that is applied (fused) to the target object. This glass blob is in turn “touched” with a steel tool that has been machined with a particular prunt design. There are many types of prunts, the most common being the so-called “raspberry prunt”, as they are referred to in English. Prunts are referred to a “Nuppen” in German. Some German/Prussian glasshouses refer to prunts as “Rösel” (little rose), instead. More often than not, the German/Prussian/Bavarian glasshouses left their prunts natural (i.e. not decorated). Many Bohemian glasshouses, on the other hand, would enamel a dot on the high spots of the raspberry prunt in primary colors. After all, Bohemian glasshouses are well known for going overboard when decorating their glassware. They just couldn’t leave those innocent prunts plain, now could they?
Some of the other types of prunts, which immediately announce the maker to the informed viewer, are the bullet-shaped prunts employed by Gräflich Harrach’sche Glasfabrik, or Harrach'sche-Neuwelt (Harrach in Neuwelt), and which, more often than not, are decorated in gold.
Likewise for the large, disc-shaped prunts that terminate in the middle with a point, that one can easily say is a trademark of Theresienthaler Kristallglas Fabrik (Theresienthal) in Bavaria, and their use go back into the 1800’s. More often than not, these are in a contrasting color to that of the target object. Most common for Theresienthal is a teal prunt on amber glass, which is very striking. The glass makers at Theresienthal likely got the idea for their prunts from 17th C. drinking vessels known as Krautstrunk (these mimic cabbage stalks, after the leaves have been hacked off), within the Waldglas (forest glass) genre. The main difference being that the center point is turned up on the Krautstrunk prunt, representing the leave that had been hacked off.
Yet another type are the large, bump covered discs that surround the hand-holding portion of the German and Dutch Berkemeyer, another drinking vessel of the 17th C., also of the Waldglas genre, and which is similar to the Krautstrunk mentioned above.
It is worthy to note that German bottles (predominately for wine) incorporated an applied glass seal identifying the manufacturer, as well as the date and place of manufacture. This seal is yet another type of prunt. These bottles are, incidentally, highly prized by collectors, as some can be quite old, and very valuable.
Rolf-Dieter