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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on February 03, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
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I bought this vase a very long time ago and have never known whodunnit.
Ivo gave a good lead this evening of Borussia on another vase (I immediately thought football team lol, I live in a house of football mad boys) , but combined with Haida in searches it seems to throw up some very similar pieces - although mine is not double overlay but a thick single layer, very deep cut. I had been wondering if the vase was Kralik as I've seen similar shaped cameo vases id'd as Kralik.
Just wondered if anyone had any thoughts or had seen similar please?
Lots of wear to the base and I do think it is old if that's anything to go by :)
Many thanks for looking
m
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a bump - calling Ivo for help please?
Ivo, do you have the book Russian Glass of the 17th - 20th centuries?
On page 125 there is a vase. It's orange but a very deep bright opaque orange. The vase has circles cut all over it as decoration. Cut to clear. Cut rim, very thick like my vase. The cutting looks identical to the cutting on my vase. I'm just wondering? Gus Khrustalny 1950-1960.
If you do, might you have time to have a look and see what you think?
Thanks :)
m
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Yes I have the Gus Kryshtalny book, it should be in there - will look later.
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oh thanks Ivo - I don't have that book.
I have the one from the Corning exhibition with the history of Russian Glass 17th - 20th century. It's in there on page 125 which is how I spotted it.
m
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I am not certain that vase is from the same family as the shape is different, it does not seem to be high gloss and the cutting is lenses only. But it is a distinct possibility.
There is nothing like it in the Gush Kryshtálny book and nothing in the Soviet glass book. There are other red cut-to-clear items of course, but no confirmation is forthcoming.
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Thanks so much for looking for me. I think that vase is high gloss although difficult to tell from that pic and their description. I couldn't see that particular vase in their exhibition and just wondered what you thought.
I'll keep an eye out.
m
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Back to original idea - Its Kralik: a few weeks ago I posted a picture elsewhere (Bohemian group on F/Book) of a kralik piece and a kind German expert amazed everyone with a design page of Kralik Cameos - Mine was on there and I just checked so is this - with a code 5340/6 -sorry can't really post the page as - It's not mine.
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Thank you Mike. I appreciate your help.
The cameo I was thinking of was this one which appears to be the same shape as mine.
http://www.glasscollector.net/PassauTour/imga0234.html
My vase is 8" tall.
m
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I now have permission from the owner to show this page
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Thank you so much for sharing this Mike. And for your help. I'm sure it will answer questions for many people :)
m
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Sorry to bring this older thread up again, but is there any way we could date these pieces? I have just bought a 5349/3 model in lilac and on the net dates range from 1910-1930, all adds I have to say.
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Hi Anne]
The Passau have one of the vases in their collection I believe and they dated it 1920-1940
m
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Hey M,
Thanks, I did come across that image via the GMB, but there is another date underneath, 1920-1930 and searchresults go far as 1910 so it's all a little vague ... I was silently hoping if there could a more accurate date known by now. I haven't got the landscape vase, even though it is on the same catalogue page, but the one with the dropping foliage.
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mm, know what you mean (vase sounds gorgeous).
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I haven't received it yet, and I'm not familiar with bohemian glass but i'm curious. It is coloured lilac and thought I'll search for some info in the meantime.
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I've not been doing any glass for quite a while now so I'm not aware of any recent developments, but from the information I knew before, Kralik information, details and records are extremely hard to come by. If I recall correctly there was a political reason why they are not available (I seem to recall they have been locked away somewhere governmental?) but I cannot remember what that was.
So, finding any definitive info may be extremely difficult. Hence such a surprise when that colour plate was revealed by Mike on this thread.
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Here's my vase … and a bit of the carpet … I need to take some decent pictures.
It's so light in weight and delicate compared to the heavy VSL pieces.
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gorgeous ! Yes I realise what you mean about comparing the weight although my red one is quite substantial, not lightweight and I wouldn't describe mine as 'delicate' to be honest. But neither would I think of it as especially heavy if you see what I mean.
m
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Perhaps it's just me, but it weighs nothing compared to what I'm used to and the glass is quite thin which makes it delicate to me … better be careful. I wonder whether it has ever been used as a vase, it looks brand new in and out.
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no,it's not you. I do know what you mean. Perceptually it looks in photos as though it should be very weighty, but in the hand, it doesn't weigh anything like overlay crystal pieces. Weight is hard to convey but I agree with you. On mine the casing it opaque and solid looking but I still think it's very fine casing.
m
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Just to add a proper picture of the vase, without carpet :)
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It's gorgeous. I wonder if mine might be thicker all over? If you look at the rim shot of mine you can see the width. Is yours like that?
m
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Nothing like that, I noticed that before looking at your pictures, the casing's much thicker on your vase and I think this is emphasized by the fact that it is less transparent, if at all.
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I know this is a little out of left field but I am wondering if it might be Edo Kiriko glass from Japan. Their overlays tend to be quite thick and the cutting very precise. Orange also happens to be a favoured colour in many Japanese items.
Ross
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No, it's Kralik and Mike posted a sheet of Kralik references earlier with the designs on it.
see here
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51275.msg345382.html#msg345382
m
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Here is mine -- model 5229/2 in blue :)
Quite delicate, like Anne's...
Michael
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Glorious colour! They seem to have used the best colours for this range of designs :)
m
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Thank you m! :)
I recently saw another one, same shape and design but with desert and palmtrees (not pictured on the pattern drawings page), nice red colour -- unfortunately too expensive...
Michael