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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: bungie60 on February 04, 2013, 02:55:38 AM
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Half pint glass mug possible Davidson any ideas
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hello :) there are better qualified people than me who I'm sure will have the answer - but one small point of interest is that Davidson tankards do in the main seem to have a small cut out portion on the top of the handle, where it joins the body.......and this one seems to lack that feature. So.......??
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Having mentioned the characteristic handle feature on Davidson, thought I'd add some pix showing............
1/........four cans/mugs/tankards - all Davidson, and all showing the small flat notch-like cut out where the handle attaches to the body.
2/.......single Sowerby mug, which does have the trademark.
3/.......mug of unknown provenance - showing Queen with very unflattering hooter.
4/......another example of George VI Coronation, showing frosted motif (except oval band of words) - unlike the first one in this post which appears completely glossy. Unknown provenance.
I'll try and have a look at the Sowerby CD's some time and see if Nos. 3 and 4 are there.
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regret I don't see your can/mug in the Sowerby catalogue.
Am attaching a pic of 'Jacobean' tankards/mugs, again showing this 'cut-out' feature on the handles - I say 'Jacobean' because that is what two of them have in relief letters around the rim of the base - although all three have the mirror shiny outer part of the base, which I had understood to mean they were not U.K. made pieces.
However, on the basis that 'Jacobean' was Davidson's Tyneside re-branded name of the Rudolfova hut 'Lord' range - then, logically, these pieces were made in the U.K., and not Czechoslovakia, and are simply one more example of this odd handle feature which seems to have been peculiar to Davidson - or was it really a Rudolfova hut design feature that Davidson continued ;D
The reason for waffling a little is that I'd assumed I would be able to find an illustration of a Czechoslvakian made example of this (Jacobean)tankard/mug (showing the handle cut-out), but I can't - despite looking in Pamela's French Markbheim catalogue and the Sklo Union book and CD.
None of which is particularly relevant to your mug - but grew out of my efforts looking at Davidson's handles with cut outs :)
As far as I can see Bagley didn't offer any commemorative mugs - and don't believe that Nazeing did either - so getting to the end of the road, regrettably.
My apologies for hijacking and going off the rails a bit, but hope it wasn't all boring, presumably no one else had any ideas?
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George VI & Elizabeth Coronation tankard dated 1937 in amber glass - same piece as the top of the topic, but mine has some frosting on the panel.
Made by Sowerby, Ellison Glassworks, Gateshead-on-Tyne 8)
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well done Anne. Looked again through Volume Two CD which is where I'd assume it to be, but obviously not looking in the right place. Does yours have a trademark?
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Yes, it is indeed illustrated in our Sowerby CDs (Volume 2). As well as including a wealth of information from the original catalogues, we also included much contemporary info from our research work re. the Pottery Gazettes. One ad in particular was exceptionally helpful to identify some interesting items - and you can see it in the Pottery Gazette section on CD Volume 2. Specifically the pages titled October 1936 (two pages). The ad in question was from October 1st 1936 and it depicted an array of glass made by Sowerby's specifically for the forthcoming Coronation. The mug that is the subject of this thread was illustrated along with several other items.
(Aside: one of the other items is a "bust" of the future King, which is a fascinating story all by itself. This ad helped to solve a long standing mystery as to what factory had made that elusive bust).
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thanks for the helpful and informative reply - all is now clear, must remember those Pottery Gazette pages in future :) Assume this will now be moved to 'British & Irish'.
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thanks for the helpful and informative reply - all is now clear, must remember those Pottery Gazette pages in future :) Assume this will now be moved to 'British & Irish'.
British and Irish? Despite your interesting "aside" into the Inwald production of Jacobean? :) Talking of which ....
I also have one of those amber Jacobean marked tankards, and I agree, the base has the mirror shiny grind that I usually (not always, mind you, there's another long story there) associate with Inwald. However, to add to the evidence for this being a possible Inwald piece, I have a circa 1934 "Retail Booklet" (Clayton Mayers, I believe) on the entire Jacobean range, which has a most interesting feature. It marks out the British Made items with a large black dot - and the handled tankard, No. 8563, does not have a black dot (i.e. it was not British Made).
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then no doubt the Mods will please disregard my suggestion ;D - I would defer to Glen's judgement on this issue always.
Some year or two back I set out to collect as much Lord/Jacobean as I could, but fell by the wayside - I never do very well when trying to be a 'completist' with some particular pattern or group - there's always some other glassy distraction, and then there's the issue of space - as we know there were a vast array of designs within this one pattern (there's at least three different water jugs, marked 'Jacobean' - as attached) - so I've given up collecting them, unless I see the table lamp that is, in rose ;) I guess that 98% of the pieces I find are clear.
I believe other factories produced clear glass with similar rectangular lenses - and not all Jacobean/Lord is marked anyway - so it gets a bit confusing, and you'd need access to the factory catalogues to check designs etc.
It is true that I believed anything marked with 'Jacobean' was a U.K. made piece, but obviously this is not a hard and fast rule.........who knows, maybe the marketing people found that this item didn't sell that well in the U.K. So, I've been k.o.'d by a black dot ;)
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...........however, Mods will need to split because the mug is Sowerby and will need to go into British & Irish - although the remainder will stay in Glass. :)
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That's what I was thinking, too, Paul. They are both interesting topics and each is worthy :) (And thanks for raising the Jacobean issue :) )
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Thank you one and all have not been on for a while and forgot who helpful and informative your members are tend to pick these pieces up to research for something to do basically since having to finish work through ill health. Photograph them log them and then tend to sell on happy just to get my money back wife goes mad if I keep everything. Well worth the 49p I paid just to keep me busy and feel as though I have made friends on here. Going back to the Jacobean had my hands on some small tot glasses the other week still with there stickers on for the life of me don't know why I did not buy them if only not to photograph. Ah well might still be there next time I go down town. Also had a Davidson Victory mug will have to find photo out many thanks Mark
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Tankards
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hello Mark. The Davidson Victory mug is attractive, and same pattern was used for the Fesival of Britain I believe. I agree with you re the problems of keeping all the glass you find, but you do seem to be buying at good prices. ;D
The uranium example I don't recognize - doesn't appear in the Stewart's book (although it does have the cut-out on the handle), and there's nothing in either of Barry Skelcher's books.
Perhpas Lustrousstone might know more. :)
Any Jacobean with labels is always worth buying - as it may well help with history of who made what, when and where.
Best of luck with your buying :)
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Thanks Paul when I first started doing this came across a Hazel Atlas Royal lace covered butter dish with the label on in local charity shop couple of quid. Thought check this out did not know anything about glass at the time took me some time but enjoyed it did not even know the value. Sold it on made £136.00 back to U.S.A to be honest I don't do it for the money but it does help lol (you would not believe the bargains I have had). Plus I think they are going to the true collector, and at the end of the day if only for a short while I have had my enjoyment. Must admit though I do like the mdina glass think it is very under rated like it much better than Whitefriars and that seems to get the money ah well thanks for your time all the best Mark
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For Paul photos of the Jacobean glasses with labels. 1 very small wine or sherry glass. 2 very small tot glass. All the best Mark
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thanks Mark - labels provide so much more information, although sad to say that most people would normally wash them off at the first opportunity. All the more remarkable that these drinking glasses should have escaped losing theirs - so quite possibly never used.
I do see these patterns not uncommonly on my walks, but yet to find one with a label.