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Title: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Roger H on February 07, 2013, 04:05:56 PM

Just bought this beautiful weight but cant decide between Willie Manson 1984 Fire Lizard or Willie Manson 1981 Magouillat Lizard.  Diameter is 3.00 inches. Any ideas please.  :-\
            Roger

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Wuff on February 07, 2013, 06:23:54 PM

The flower with ladybird next to the head indicates a Fire Lizard (http://www.scotlandsglass.co.uk/cms/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=4421&category_id=51&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=6) - rather than the Magouillat Lizard (http://fieldingsauctioneers.co.uk/lot/4772)

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Roger H on February 07, 2013, 07:42:24 PM

    Yes, know what you mean.  It has been stated that only one Magouillat was made with a bishybarneebee in a flower. Perhaps that isn't an overstatement.
           Roger

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: tropdevin on February 07, 2013, 08:03:59 PM

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Err...the next issue of the PCC Newsletter includes an article on Willie Manson / Scotia weights from 1980 / 1981.

It includes all the images from William Manson's brochure from that period. That shows a 'Magouillat Lizard' with a ladybird inside the flower - as does the example sitting here on my desk....which is slightly different from the brochure picture. An example from 1980 / 1981 should have a WM signature and date cane in the base.  I don't know who made the statement referred to, but I think it may be wrong - there is clearly more than one example with a ladybird in the flower.  I suspect that a lizard with a ladybird in the flower is a Magouillat Lizard in 1980 / 1981 - but may also be a Fire Lizard a few years later.

Alan

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Roger H on February 07, 2013, 09:36:05 PM

That will be interesting, thanks Alan.  John Simmonds page 152, but his quote was only a maybe from somebody else. Wondered if there was a difference in some other way between 1984 and 1981 WM weights?
          Roger Harry

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Roger H on February 12, 2013, 10:25:20 AM

I was then about to post another question but I think it best to wait for the newsletter.  Just can't get over how good this weight appears to me.
       Regards Roger

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Alsretro on February 12, 2013, 08:26:11 PM

A nice weight indeed and in fact one that Mr Manson personally confirmed as a 1984 Fire Lizard for Caithness. Sometimes things can just speak for themselves but always good to get that wee bit more information. :)
Alastair

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Roger H on February 12, 2013, 11:35:04 PM

Thanks Al for the update, perhaps Willie will inscribe it for me one day.
      Here's the other one Lizzie sits next to all day long, Sid, but they get along very well.  Regards Roger.

Title: Re: Manson Fire Lizard?
Post by: Alsretro on February 13, 2013, 10:03:18 PM

Lizzie and Sid look well matched - I do hope they live happy ever after  :)