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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Otis Orlando on February 14, 2013, 01:32:04 AM
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H!, having trouble trying to identify this pressed vase. Height 21.5cm I managed to pull up various images on the google site over the weekend, but still unable to identify the maker and period. I'm not sure whether it is modern or a 60's piece. I appreciate any help you can provide.
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A maker doesn't spring to mind but datewise it's somewhere from 1930s to 1960s. Is it uranium glass? have you looked though http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html
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I've had a quick look in 'Vases' - a not uncommon general shape - but wasn't aware of seeing it.
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isn't it this one?
http://www.ddoty.com/kingjames.html
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The heights don't seem to agree - 21.5 cms is a little shy of 8.5" - not the 6" or 10" on the carnival piece.
On the green example there are three very distinct and separate hexagonal collars just up from the base - the carnival vase appears to have really only one collar.
Could be my eyes, but the green vase seems to have rectangular lenses, whereas the other one doesn't :)
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green is 16 cm, marigold is 20 cm - definitely not inch sizes.
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Is it uranium glass? have you looked though http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/index2.html
Hi Christine, Definately not uranium. With ref. to the Pressglas site that I was totally unaware of, and thanks for that, the only one that has any close resemblance is the vase quarter of the way down the page, the 'Cumberland Vase'.
I've had a quick look in 'Vases' - a not uncommon general shape - but wasn't aware of seeing it.
Thanks for your efforts anyway. I thought I should mention if not able to identify in the pictures. 'The rectangular lenses' 3rd and 4th layer are concaved. I don't know if this is of any help, but thought I would mention it anyway.
isn't it this one?
http://www.ddoty.com/kingjames.html
Hi Ivo, I'm not sure if you were asking me that question. If so, it definately is not a king james. The design looks totally different to me.
The height of the vase posted is definately 21.5cm, which is near enough 8 1/2". The open area of the vase is 8.7cm approx. and the base, corners to corners, varies slightly in distance, that is..........8.8cm, 9cm and 8.7cm. This is just an approximation. I hope I've explained this o.k. With reference to the green vase you have posted. Can you tell me if the stem has three hexagonal ribs, I am unable to identify this in your pictures?
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if you haven't yet looked at Pamela's master catalogues, and you have a few hours to spare ;D...... http://www.glas-musterbuch.de/
Best of luck.
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unable to say - but the uranium and the marigold are definitely from the same maker, the design is identical and the sizes are metric.
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at the risk of setting myself up to be shot down in flames, (again - lol) wasn't it decided on here some time ago that this pattern was Jacobean and there was a Clayton Meyers / Davidson / J Inwald connection?
I seem to remember the three hexangonal ring collars were an ident marker and also the base finish varied between Davidson & Inwald pieces?
>> off to try and track down the old thread>>
Mel
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You could be right, I don't remember now............I thought that a characteristic of the Jacobean pattern was that the lenses graduated more uniformly in size, and I didn't think that green was one of the known colours...........clear, amber, blue, rose...
This doesn't look like Jacobean to me..........and I've been through the Markbheinn catalogue and the Sklo Union CD, and it doesn't show up in those.
But who knows........ :)
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Hi
A long shot but maybe Walther Cumberland?
Cheers Nige
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still the difficulty, I think, with matching those separate collars near the base :)
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Pamela's master catalogues
I've spent a few hours looking through, however not able to make a match. I'm still going through it though as I was unaware of this site.
unable to say - but the uranium and the marigold are definitely from the same maker
I agree Ivo and probably mine too. It would be great if I could find who actually made the vase. I've not really had any interest in green vases, but for some reason this vase stood out from all the other glass pieces I saw on the day of purchase.
at the risk of setting myself up to be shot down in flames, (again - lol) wasn't it decided on here some time ago that this pattern was Jacobean and there was a Clayton Meyers / Davidson / J Inwald connection?
I seem to remember the three hexangonal ring collars were an ident marker and also the base finish varied between Davidson & Inwald pieces?
>> off to try and track down the old thread>>
Mel
With ref. to Inwald and Davidson pieces. I must say, I first thought it might be a Davidson Glass as some of the pieces I've seen do bare a small percentage in the actual design shape. Did you have much luck in tracking down the old thread?
Hi
A long shot but maybe Walther Cumberland?
Cheers Nige
Currently looking through the Walther Cumberland patterns. Will be kept informed if I find anything.
Some of the pieces i've seen, based on your info. appear that the same designs were used when referring to the rectangular optical lenses it seems.
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an id is made all the more difficult in view of the very common general shape and design that this piece shares with hordes of other vases - a quick look through Pamela's catalogues and the Czech designs shows this to be very true. However, fingers crossed that you succeed. :)
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Cheers for that! I just find it odd that I can't find another with the three hexagonal ribs, even one with a different colour. I've not had much luck in the walther Cumberland designs either.
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hi otis, ive got a couple of the green ones and an amber one I think, lurking around here some place. Simba has a pink one in her glass gallery too, last page. (don't know where I stand on linking?)
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.....and do they have the three hexagonal ribs? It would be great if you could post some pics. I have not found any that are identical to this posted online during my research.
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http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-16836
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I hate to seem pessimistic, but do we have provenance for this attribution - has Glen verified this, or is it in a catalogue somewhere - to me the lenses still don't appear to be the usual 'Jacobean' shape - and, I could easily be wrong, but is green a known 'Jacobean' colour?
I'd like to think we've solved this one - so just being a little cautious, and hope Simba is able to help. :)
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Angela says "Jacobean style"
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hi Otis, yes all have three hex ribs - i'll try and take some pics in the morning.
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Paul, hi bear with me, trying to put a couple of links on..... http://www.cloudglass.com/ClaytonMayers.htm
Chris & Val's page, scroll down they list green as a jacobean colour
and this one on Pamela's site - vase with three hex ribs..... modified. hold the line caller
different pattern I know but a start. I wish I could remember where I had seen this vase attributed
mel
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quote................"Angela says "Jacobean style"........ you could probably say that of half the pre war pressed designs that had roughly rectangular lenses. ;D
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True, but my point was that she is not ID'ing it as Jacobean
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neither was I , Otis was looking for similar examples with three neck rings and additional colours
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ok, two vases as promised Otis for reference
larger green is 21 cm tall, smaller amber is 15 cm tall
the green one glows quite nicely under UV but not uranium
both have 3 hex rings on the stem
will be glad when / if this sorted ::)
There is a publication by WV museum of American glass that includes scanned copies of Inwald jacobean catalogues that comes up on ebay from time to time I am waiting for them to list one again.
In the meantime does anyone else have a copy?
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however, the pink pair on the Glass Gallery have been included with a Jacobean attribution - and without anyone questioning their origin.........and we're still waiting for Simba to clarify that provenance. :)
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Mel said
Simba has a pink one in her glass gallery too, last page.
Otis said
.....and do they have the three hexagonal ribs? It would be great if you could post some pics. I have not found any that are identical to this posted online during my research.
So I posted the link but Angela (Simba) has NOT given them an attribution, merely calling them Jacobean “STYLE”
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Confused of Surrey writes.............I thought we had only one Angela....... ;)..... and further down it does say: Glassworks: Clayton Meyers - Pattern: Jacobean.
I don't read 'high up' ;) However, I get the point ;)
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Hi Christine, Thanks for clarifying that it is in the style of. Now it is clear that they are others in this style from bfg pics. I am just concerned that no one seems to know who actually made them, when you consider they maybe common or should I say a common style?
ok, two vases as promised Otis
Well, I was beginning to think I was going mad. Thanks for letting us know there are others. It just confirming the maker I suppose.
I've spent a few hours today trying to obtain any further info. that would help, however, they appears to be limited amount of info. available for this particular vase. The uncertainty makes it more of an interesting don't you think?
Anywat thanks to you all, your help is truely appreciated so far.
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Only just come across this post which I have been quoted in ::) so decided to dig a bit deeper about this vase and I am now of the opinion it could be by Rosice...and is a plain version of pattern 2911 (see page 35 of 1958 catalogue) Mine is 15 cms high as in the catalogue it also comes in 20 cms ...which looks like the green one discussed here earlier... Looking at the profile of my vase the top band is flat compared to the lower ones which are concave making it ideal for a pattern to be put on it....as in the catalogue pictures. The 2911 also has the three ribs at the stem of the vase...so what do you make of that idea !!? ;D
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Found this on the Sklo Union CD database that comes with Marcus Newhall's Sklo Union book. Looks very similar
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Yes that's the one .....pattern 2911☺
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Thought I would resurrect this thread, rather than starting a new one on the same topic. I have an amber version, 21cm (checked three times and definitely not 20cm). Mine is a pattern match for BFG's same size green vase, and Simba's smaller pink one.
I have compared it to the Rosice 2911, and the proportions do not look quite right. Not sure if this is due to the image being a drawing, but the narrowing at the base, and the shorter first section at the top on mine, raise questions.
Most of the images I have found, that match, are attributed to Davidson. However, I haven't managed to locate any catalogue images for firm attribution. I am almost certain its not Inwald.
There is some fogging/water marking on the inside, around the transition between the first and second "rows", which made me wonder if these pieces ever had frogs?
The vase is darker in the "flesh" than in the photographs.