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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: JRo on February 15, 2013, 06:07:58 AM
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These bowls have alluded me. I thought they were Czech or Whitefriars...but I can't find anything similar in any of my books or on the web. From the scratches and colour, I am guessing mid century.
They are 5.5" diameter x 2" high.
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Welcome to the board. How are they made? Pressed or blown? Can we have a base shot please
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Sure thing - base picture attached, and thanks for your reply.
I would assume blown. It looks like the pontil has been polished to make a flat base. No seams. No bevel to the polished edge.
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Are all 3 identical in position/size/shape of depressions
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No, there is slight variations between the bowls.
1/8" variations in width and height, one bowl is slightly darker in colour and while the depressions are in similar spots, they vary in depth.
I am assuming you are asking me these questions to rule out the use of a mold/reproduction.
Anything else you need to know? You must have an idea, Frank ;) Teasing me?
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Hi, seeing these pieces suddenly I thought the same, 1950's Whitefriars- or Czech as choices. The "bullseye" type pattern suggests as much. The Skrdlovice bullseye pattern pieces in this timeframe are very difficult to attribute conclusively at the best of times. Your pieces are in a colour that makes me hesitant to suggest Skrdlovice, but apart from the shade of yellow, it would be possible. The silence from Whitefriars enthusiasts, suggests that it seems they don't think Whitefriars likely.... though the colour to me looks more that way, than 50's Skrdlovice... sorry not to be more helpful...
Robert (bOBA)
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Not seen these in any Whitefriars catalogues, so suspect not W/F. My first thought was Webb, but I am not a Webb expert by any means.
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I would rule out Whitefriars . jp
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Thank you JP, Vid and Robert! So appreciate your help!
So not Whitefriars because not in catalogues - any other reason that you've ruled out Whitefriars JP?
I'll try Webb...
Not sure why you think the colour is off, Robert. I've seen other mid century Skrdlovice pieces in this colour...or is it this colour combined with the bullseye pattern that throws you?
I am so impressed with this site and the expertise here! Thanks so much everyone for your input!
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Just found this...
http://www.glassyeye.com/glasspages/brit-webb.html
Three things make me think this may not be Webb...no acid mark, no ring (this is heavy, thick glass...more like Czech pieces in weight, thickness, I guess I should have mentioned that - sorry!) and Webb bullseye seems to be outdents, not indents. But it would be great to hear from a Webb expert.
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Hi, I wouldn't rule out 50's Skrdlovice. Colour tone can be deceptive in photos and I find it can be a tricky issue to discuss, as monitors vary, eyesight varies, imaging equipment varies.... I would not rule out Skrdlovice. They made a lot of very similar bullseye patterns in the early 1950's. Quite lovely quality too. I have never seen three turn up at once, but that doesn't mean anything! The flat polished base is acceptable too, some early fifties Skrdlovice has a flat polished base with slightly chamfered edges, some plain flat.
Robert (bOBA)
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Thanks so much Robert! I am leaning towards Skrdlovice myself. I have other Skrdlovice pieces and the base is similar as is the colour so I'll keep going along that vein.
Three together, I know! I was pretty thrilled :)
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I've been watching this with some interest, but haven't contributed because I don't know what they are. However, I'm more skeptical than Robert about them being Skrdlovice, although I acknowledge that Robert is the real expert here.
I'm attaching photographs of a bowl that I've tentatively attributed to Bohuslav Beranek for Skrdlovice. It's tentative because, as Robert wrote, Skrdlovice patterns are hard to match in the early 10950's. It doesn't have the usual Skrdlovice chamfered edge, but that's doesn't rule out Skrdlovice. However, my piece very much has what JRo calls outdents. I'd also be surprised to see three Skrdlovice pieces so similar.
David
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Interesting langhaugh!
Your bowl is quite different. My bowls have indents and not outdents. Perhaps your bowl is Webb?
The mystery continues!
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Actually, scratch that...your's can't be Webb...the glass is thick...
Oh boy...this isn't easy, is it...sigh.
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You're certainly right about this being difficult. And you're right to rule out Webb for mine. At least, Webb is extremely unlikely as my piece was bought in the Czech Republic, not a great place for finding Webb.
I notice you have Canada in your profile (I'm in Surrey, BC, near Vancouver). Did you buy the pieces in Canada?
David
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Hi Neighbor! David, I am in the Lower Mainland too! What a small world!
I am not sure if I bought them here, in Ontario or when I went across the border. I forgot to record where I bought these and I've had them for a few months now. There is a good chance I bought them here so that doesn't help with the identity issue.
In your case though, I can see why you are pretty convinced that yours are Skdlovice.