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Title: Is this really Old English?
Post by: w84it on February 20, 2013, 07:30:24 PM

I am rather sceptical of the Old English attribution for this

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380573640562?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648


Can anyone confirm or deny?

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: tropdevin on February 20, 2013, 09:39:12 PM

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I am fairly sure that it is Old English, but from an unknown maker. I have had several paperweights with similar canes, and all appeared to me to be Old English - lead crystal, fairly large, 'simple' millefiori.

Alan

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: w84it on February 21, 2013, 09:09:07 AM

Thanks Alan.   

I  know little about OE weights, especially those from unknown makers.  This was a layout that I've not seen before.  I tend to expect closepacked canes.  And I had wonderered to begin with whether it was Murano.

I do find the weight attractive (but nowhere near as attractive as the Islington OE weight that sold recently for £6000 at the Knowle auction rooms!).

Thanks again

Keith

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: Nick77 on February 21, 2013, 12:25:45 PM

Quote from: w84it on February 21, 2013, 09:09:07 AM

I do find the weight attractive (but nowhere near as attractive as the Islington OE weight that sold recently for £6000 at the Knowle auction rooms!).

Thanks again

Keith

The IGW weight was beautiful, I went to the auction rooms to collect some others that I won and was allowed to have a good look at it,  probably never get to handle another, if I'd had the money I would have bought it, but it's off to the USA. I had to settle for the Bacchus one.

 Apparently this was a collection put in to auction by a lady whose parents were antique dealers in the 70's and these were their personal collection but she knew absolutely nothing about them. I gather she was very pleased at the outcome.  :)

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: tropdevin on February 21, 2013, 01:29:20 PM

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Hi Nick.

I too had the good fortune to handle the Islington when I picked up a couple of lots from there on Monday. 

The auction house asked me to verify the Islington attribution some weeks ago, and I gave them my views on the ID of all the weights (I called the pedestal Chinese a Chinese weight - I don't know where they got 'Melville' from). And I don't recall saying that any were Bacchus - indeed, I pointed out that some were definitely not Bacchus, and that one was debatable.  Which do you consider was a Bacchus, Nick?

Alan

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: Nick77 on February 21, 2013, 01:36:09 PM

Hi Alan
I'll have to take some photos as I guess the links have gone from the auction site now.
It is a fairly large low dome with canes that swirl out around a centre cane. It was listed as possibly Bacchus and I have matched canes to a Bacchus weight in Robert Hall's book. The dome profile also seems to match the Bacchus weights.

Nick

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: w84it on February 21, 2013, 02:08:33 PM

Nick, the links appear to be still on the auction website.   Link for the Islington below.  I was not sure which other weight  you were referring to.

http://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/knowle-auction-rooms/catalogue-id-2875917/lot-16902964?searchitem=true

Keith

Title: Re: Is this really Old English?
Post by: Nick77 on February 21, 2013, 02:12:22 PM

Give me a few mins, I've just taken photos, I'll start a new thread to avoid confusion.

Nick