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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: joewol on March 04, 2013, 06:07:57 PM
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hi guys
this is the last of the weights ive been scratching my head about
this one though i spotted it in a local auction house and thought i was getting a bargin as i was 100% sure it was orient and flume and im sure im 100% wrong so im consistant if nothing else ;D any help is very welcome
cheers
ps the art work is my daughters
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Hi there,
I always took these weights to be Murano. But not sure that I have any evidence for this belief. So let's hear what other collectors think.
Nice artwork though!!! :)
SophieB
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Hi Joe
I think there are various artists/makers who have made surface decorated items like this - for example, Orient & Flume made some very nice ones - as well as the usual suspects such as Murano. I have had several that I could not tie to a particular maker. The millefiori cane may be the key to who made this one, assuming the base is unmarked - could you post a sharp image of it?
Alan
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hi
thankyou for the imput and info heres my best two photos only took me 27 pics to get two that i think are ok hope this helps and again thanks for help
cheers joe
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Hi Joe. I do not recognise the cane, but it is well made. I wonder whether it might be an Okra paperweight?
Alan
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Alan, I suspect it's not Okra. I have around 50 Okra weights in my collection, and none is that much like Joe's. i have not seen an Okra with a central top cane.
Joe's weight is very similar to another weight in my collection which is unsigned and so far unidentified, but which I suspect is Murano.
Keith
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hi guys
i did think it was going to be an head scratcher along with keith & sophieb i thought it maybe murano but the cane dosent seem to fit as alan said the cane is well made
i went along to my local antiques dealer and he thought the maker may be up to a bit of mischief as in his opinion the cane looks slighty french but the main body is not
main thing i like it and it will go back in the out house with the rest of my question weights ;)
i thank you all for helping out
cheers
joe
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Could possibly be someone like Steve Smyers or Terry Crider, but the cane isn't something I've seen in their weights. I'm sure there are some other candidates in a similar vein to those 2 I don't know about?
Ian
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I have a large archive of Ebay photos as a way of helping me identify weights - not the most reliable I know BUT! "Golden Crown - E&R Italy" is very similar to yours. If it were American I would expect it to be clearly marked on the base or around the bottom of the sides.
Ross
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hi guys
just wanted to update you with the news that ive had a concrete id of the weight and it seems to be made by orient & flume which is great news, just wanted to say thankyou to the guys that helped with the id
you know who you are
many thanks
joe ;D
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That's very interesting, Joe. Especially as I have a previously unidentified weight that has similarities to yours, particularly the central cane and the way the feathering pulls towards the base.
Can you say a bit more about the evidence for the identification? And I'd really like to know who the O&F artist was, and when it was made.
Thanks
Keith
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Hi kieth
The info came in a email from someone who was very confident that with the style of weight and cane and the fact the bottom was completely flat the person was 99.999999999999% it was a o & f paperweight
I did ask if it was pissibly a second as it was unmarked i did get a reply but i stupidly deleted the email without opening it!!!
With a bit of luck the gent will view this and post the info
I wish i wad more helpful kieth
Best wishes
Joe
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If you email Orient & Flume direct they are very helpful, replied to me with full info on the marks on one I had the next day.
Nick
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Thanks nick
That seems the next logical step to take
Thanks for the suggestion
Joe
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Hello, Joe,
This thread actually was what prompted me to follow-up on joining the GMB - Although I cannot reference any hard documentation, I do in fact have two essentially identical weights packed away which I purchased back in the early '90's, and have some notes which may be helpful: One weight is roughly 3" Spherical, and the other is Ovoid ~ 2 3/4"d x 3 9/16h, both w/ flat bases, and w/ burgundy festooning and mint green, respectively. Beautifully articulate canes accent both pieces.
I had asked LH Selman to comment on photos I forwarded in 1991 and at that time he thought they were possibly O&F. In 1992, Paul Dunlop visited and expressed a similar "1st guess", but suggested they could also be Grant Randolph @ Santa Barbara... Later that same year, in the December, 1992 CS&S (Collector's Sales and Services, RI) Auction Catalogue Lot# 471 referenced a virtual match to the Ovoid work as "SCHNEIDER", and as a follow to analysis of both pieces, Arthur & Theresa Greenblatt (NJ) in 1993 felt inclined to agree w/ the Schneider attribution when I presented them as part of my collection for review... all prior notations considered.
Obviously a lot of time has passed since those discussions, but I thought it might be helpful to share what little I have - and would welcome your findings going forward, as it seems we've got some similarly unresolved items awaiting further clarification and more definitive work. I just haven't had the time, but feel a bit more motivated after seeing your post.
I'll try to dig 'em out & take a few pix if it would be helpful, too (one of these days) :)
Regards,
h-g
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Hi. Another maker to consider is Vandermark. See images below. This one does not use millefiori , but there are similarities of style.
Alan