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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: David E on April 24, 2006, 02:19:35 PM
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Bring out yer bark...
As we seem to have a run on bark-textured glass, I thought I'd drag this one out to throw further examples into the mix.
It's got an iridescent oil-on-water (Carnival) finish (most evident around the base) with a creamy interior and measuring about 7" (18cm) tall. The base is ground flat and the top is irregular in shape.
:shock: click to zoom :shock:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/bark-vase01-t.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/bark-vase01.jpg)
Top View (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/bark-vase02.jpg)
Base View (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/dencill/bark-vase03.jpg)
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Just when you thought you'd seen it all. Congratulations, David, that must be the ugliest vase I have ever seen on this board.
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:D Well, not pretty but I'm sure I've got something worse... :lol:
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They date to about 1890 and were made in UK, I used to have a marked one and managed to find a reference too them, I wrote it on a piece of paper which I kept in the vase... sold it 15+ years ago. Naturally I cannot remember who it was now. They come with red, blue and green base colouring and always with creamyish exterior and sold by a London retailer. The moulds were made/based from/on branches.
They are not so bad in the flesh Ivo.
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I must be really weird :oops: :oops:
I love them. They're right down my street :lol: :lol:
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And I always thought I was the weird one, Della :lol:
Frank: can you confirm the date of 1890. I would like to know more on these - very intriguing.
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Just going from my rough memory, it was definitely pre-1900. The reference was in a book - but I had to sell my entire glass library in 1992 so no idea which book it was in. There was not a picture but the description was spot on. Sorry I cannot remember the name.
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No problem, I was just a little surprised it could be dated so early – I had 1950s onwards in mind! :shock:
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Just going from my rough memory, it was definitely pre-1900. The reference was in a book - but I had to sell my entire glass library in 1992 so no idea which book it was in. There was not a picture but the description was spot on. Sorry I cannot remember the name.
The most likely publication in 1992 was Manley. Please would someone lucky enough to own a copy check.
Bernard C. 8)
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They come with red, blue and green base colouring...
Just one point here; this one is clear glass. If you look at the base photo (which is totally unmarked, BTW) you can see the interior. The reddish colour gives a false impression.
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most likely publication in 1992 was Manley.
Bernard C. 8)
I don't think it was, I think visually but even those eyes are wearing out (ya ya ya), I think something more of encylopaedia. If it is Manley I would not have been easily satisfied.
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It's not in Manley, have just checked (lucky enough to own a copy! :D )
Anyway, I agree with Della-I like it too!
The 1890s date fits in very nicely with it's 'rustic' texture & the iridised finish, both major trends in glass at that time.
Can't say I've ever seen anything like it;but I would have bought it if I had!
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The red is the nicest.
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Having read this thread and seen the name Manley, I knew I had a book with that name. Turns out not to be the one. Mine is just a small spiral bound book published in 1968 by Wallace Homestead and features the collection of C C Manely, Brierley Hill, England. The color photos are quite nice and 361 pieces of glass are shown. Unfortunately the vase under discussion is not shown. Terry
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I can only add that I have never seen anything like it in my life.
It certainly is unusual - I'd like to look at it "up close and personal".
And yes, I checked Manley too. Nada, as the others report. I can't think what book it might have been, Frank.
Glen
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Unfortunately I have no list of the books I owned then but it could have been at a library or in a bookshop.
They do seem rare, I have seen less than ten, one red, a couple in green ground and blue ground ones. I expect they were a limited production and expensive as a lot of work went into them.
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Just a quick update:
Glen is kindly posting the photo on wwwcga web site to see if any Carnival Glassies can ID this.
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OK, well I have posted a photo of the vase and I have received two comments. One was along the lines of "this is familiar but I'm not sure what it is". The other suggestion was (and I'm a bit hesitant to say this :oops: ):
it is Whitefriars and they made many different colors in this form
Glen
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:lol: Better not say that too loudly!
Not sure what to say about that: is it someone misguided by the WF bark texture, or is it someone who knows more than we think?! :D
Neve rmind, it's interesting to see it got some response. Thanks, Glen.
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Not sure what to say about that: is it someone misguided by the WF bark texture, or is it someone who knows more than we think?! :D
Well I was assuming the first....but because I know nothing (nothing) about WF, I couldn't say. But I do know that this forum is EXPERT on WF.
Glen :lol:
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I don't think it is strictly Carnival. But as we (wwwcga) have members with a range range of interests (focussed on iridised glass) it seemed worth a shot. However, I don't think anyone's come up with the right answer yet. Maybe this is one of those mysteries that will run and run.........
Glen
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I see so much on eBay wrongly IDd.
I see so much everywhere wrongly IDd.
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maybe the book was:
The Encyclopaedia (Encyclopedia) of Glass - Edited By Phillips, Phoebe 1981 and 1987 editions in US and UK
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Did anyone ever find any more on this vase? I have an almost identical one to the one in the original post, and would love to know more about it.
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My guess is Japanese, given that I've seen a vase with similar texture and iridescence with a 'Norleans, made in Japan' label. Norleans appear to be a trading company who sold various bits of Japanese ceramics and glass as well as a few Italian pieces.
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That seems highly likely Steven. I had a red one for a number of years and could find out nothing about it except it was glass and thus could not be WF. I have seen others (at least two) and an awful lot of Japanese glass was sold here in Australia - almost all with paper labels.
Ross
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I've seen and handled a few of these over the years and as I've been rereading this thread and thinking about them, "Japan" was starting to shout loudly in my brain - before I saw Steven's response.
I've only recently learned a bit about Japanese bits of glass and seen how they're finished and how they feel - and now I'm putting my recent learning in conjunction with my memories of these, I reckon they belong together.
I have serious doubts about them being any older than the '50s..... 1950s.
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Interesting :usd:
I does look very similar to my 2-coloured bark textured vase (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,39531.0.html) which was also attributed here on the board to Japan (and is certainly not older than the 1960s).
I just dug it out (it was stored away) to compare them better, and the shape and the base do look almost identical -- like they came from the same mould; the rim seems a little different...
Michael
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Did anyone ever get any further with the identification of this vase? I still have mine hanging around waiting to be labeled up :)
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I would still think Japanese...
>> Here is an ebay link (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sea-Glasbruk-Design-Glas-Vase-60er-70er-Jahre-Vintage-Bark-Glass-Vase-Sweden-/221013537332) to a labeled one (with a strange description btw, Japanese AND Swedish) from the same range, and as far as I remember that label was attributed to some Japanese maker (Sanyu?)
Michael
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That one on eBay is completely different to the one starting this thread, which was probably one of the first of the genre.
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The one on ebay and the one you have do not look as though they are related to the one I have. The shape is different and the bark effect doesn't match.
I hope we manage to attribute it one day, someone should get the blame for producing such strikingly ugly vases :)
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What I am sure about is that the iridescent one which started this thread and my blue-green one (see attached pics) are of identical shape. 8)
I have seen this model and the one in the ebay auction I linked to several times now (also as a "set"), both in this quite distinctive black and red colourway:
>> Link (http://www.glaskilian.de/Sea-Glasbruk.522.0.html) to the whole range, same "S handcraft" labels (all pieces attributed to Sea glasbruk, but I think Wayne has identified the red ashtray as Japanese as well).
Michael
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Actually, now that I look at the photos again, I think you are right. My iridescent one is the same shape and bark pattern as your blue vase. It was the red ebay one that threw me.
So I think Japan is looking strong for these at the moment?
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It seems likely that it was by S Handcraft which has "Japan" on the label(see below) on both of the examples I own. Unfortunately the literature on Japanese Glass isn't! So until we get an enthusiast Japanese glassie to write a book I suspect we are all in the dark somewhat. Other good brands are Kamei & Hineri. Much of the glass seems to come from Osaka.
Ross
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Hi guys!
Any news around concerning this japanese handcraft label?
The other day i also found a vase with this label and this morning i already searched quite a while for the maker company and couldn't find it yet.
There is one attribution around in the web concerning this label, saying SONSCO (not a maker but a distributor), but i don't really believe in that attribution because you only can find different looking Sonsco labels in the web.
Regards
Micha
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I'd like to know also, I've had this for ages ::)
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Lot's of Japanese glass on Collectors Weekly website.... https://www.collectorsweekly.com/user/racer4four/japanese-glass
Hey, Keith, i have one like that but i haven't been able to find the maker yet.
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Thank you for this idea!!!
Found this posting there:
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/201121-shoei-glass-from-japan?in=collection-3002
Think our searched maker name is SHOEI :-)