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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: flying free on March 29, 2013, 12:28:20 PM
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I've started a new thread for this plate because it is very different to my Harrach Etruscan vase on another thread.
It's hand enamelled rather than transfer printed, burnt orange but not the same as the Harrach vase orange. 9.5" wide
It has most in common (but not a lot) with an unidentified vase on page 136 of Charles Hajdamach's British Glass 1800-1914, the one second from right on the group.
It could be Bohemian or English I guess.
However, whereas I can see on that group photo that, to my eye, vases second from left and furthest right might be Harrach/Bohemian (especially when comparing to my Harrach vase), I'm not getting any feeling from my plate that it is specifically Bohemian.
The hand painted decoration rather than transfer printed, and the 'loop, dot, teardrop' device, and the different colours and detail in the up and down square shape (what is that called?) decoration round the rim, and the thickness of the gold, makes me think English but the blank makes me think possibly Bohemian.
I can't find any similarities with the Webb's Etruscan handpainted series by Mr Giller in the book on page 138.
The blank is white opaline, translucent but early old white glass - it doesn't have the look of Richardson's Vitrified glass or French opaline for example, it does have some similarity with my Harrach vase but it's not as thick or consistent somehow. Underneath the gilding I think the rim is cut bevelled and polished rather than firepolished but it is very hard to tell.
The foot has no pontil mark, it is a shallow foot and is completely matt on the base whereas the plate front and back is polished shiny. That might be from wear but I think it was ground flat and polished smooth matt. My Harrach vase foot is similar but not so neatly done.
So, possibly an unidentified 'Etruscan' range so far?
Any thoughts much appreciated.
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adding a very close up cropped shot of the enamelling.
It makes it look messy but it isn't, it's hard to view enamel decoration close up really as it always looks terrible in my view.
You can see where there used to be gilding on the square up and down border.
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bump and adding some more close ups of the decoration
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Huge excitement here lol -
I'd been wondering if my plate might be Russian - no idea why, just because - maybe because the gilding is very thick on it and there is lots of it, some worn now but in it's original state there would have been a lot of gold, and because the entire thing is handpainted
and I think it might be ;D
Imperial Glass Factory St. Petersburg, after a design by Alexander Briullov, circa 1840
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/catalogues/online-catalogues/194-russian-art-faberge-icons.html?L=1&kategorie=2&artikel=1963&L=1&cHash=372f9e9d17
and here's a flask and beaker - the orange is identical - also from the Pompeiian range Imperial Glass Factory
http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/nachtflasche-mit-stopsel-und-becher-milk-glass-de-132-c-ed1553e63f
My first piece of Russian glass - so exciting ;D
This vase is obviously a different range but still has the orange and part of the design in the border but also has the 'flying' people.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/5978881
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Certainly looks likely
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There is nothing quite like it in the "Russian Glass" book but the probability is quite high.
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Thanks both :)
Ivo thank you for looking in the book, I appreciate it.
Doing a bad google translate on the nightflask and beaker pieces, it says there are almost identical pieces in the 2004 exhibition catalogue to this flask and beaker (my underlining below). I'm pretty confident my plate is from the same maker and time period:
'Lot 132: Nachtflasche mit Stöpsel und Becher Milk Glass Decanter with Stopper and Beaker Imperial Glass Manufactory, St. Petersburg
Description: Kaiserliche Glasfabrik St. Petersburg, wohl Alexander Briullow (Entwurf), um 1840'
'Milk glass. On the wall in colorful painting executed? Harder decorative frieze figures on ancient models. Stand and neck orange accents. Gold Rings min. rubbed. H. 8/15, 5 cm (04,823,017)
Briullow Alexander was one of the most influential interior designers of Russia, which took up the new vital flow of historicism and spread. Influenced by his visit to the excavations at Pompeii, he designed the dining room in the Winter Palace in the Pompeian style. The Imperial Glass Manufactory St. Petersburg Conducted the glass vases made me f? For this space by its design. from Almost identical pieces are displayed in the exhibition catalog Imperial Glass Factory 1777-1917, St. Petersburg, 2004, p 71, No 38'
What is interesting to me is:
1) the era of the piece - 1840, early opaline, almost milchglas - it's very exciting to have a piece of Russian opaline glass
2) The fact that the design is put down to the influence of the decoration of the Small Dining Room (Pompeian room) in the Winter Palace by Alexander Briullow (from what I read another designer was in place after him from 1840-1860). And from what I read, the Pompeian design he did for the room seems to have followed, and was obviously influenced by, his previous visit to Pompei.
So if the dating is correct and my plate is Russian from 1840, this makes it earlier I believe, than for example
- the Richardson pieces showing classical designs shown on the Portland vase in burnt orange and white (c.1845-1850 - CH British Glass 1800-1914 page 101) and plate 84 page 113 Sepia enamelled white opaline vase after an engraving by Flaxman
- The Webb's Mr Giller decorated vases in classical Etruscan theme shown in the Art Union Journal 1847
- The Davis Greathead and Green vases (page 137 same book) shown at the Great Exhibition in 1851
It also makes it possibly earlier than all the vases shown on page 136 where the caption says 'Five vases in the Etruscan style, fashionable from 1847-1851....' if the dating is correct.
In ‘The History of Glass’ Klein,Lloyd on page 176 it says that Russia held it’s ‘first public exhibition of Russian Manufactures, in St Petersburg in 1828-29, …’
It goes on to say Russia held other public exhibitions during the first half of the 19th century -
‘Countries such as America, Russia and France had frequently organised exhibitions of their own manufacturers during the first half of the century, but the Great Exhibition (this was held in 1851), or the Exhibition of the Industry of All Nations as it was officially called, was the first to bring together products from all over the world. Most of Europe’s leading glass manufacturers were represented as well as several from America…. (the one exception was France, whose only representative was Clichy)’.
It doesn’t mention Russia being represented at the Great Exhibition and neither does it mention Russia in CH British Glass 1800-1914.
But I wonder if the influence of all these Etruscan style vases being shown by various British and Bohemian makers came from Russia perhaps? Especially the use of the wide bands of burnt orange colour on the Harrach pieces?
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adding to my post just above
I did find the floor plan for the 1851 exhibition and Russia was on there.
Ivo, when they say there is something in the 2004 Exhibition catalogue, is that the Russian Glass book you are looking at as well, the book that was produced for that exhibition? If so, how do you think it compares? They say page 71 no 38 is similar to the flask and beaker.
I think I have found something interesting here:
This link is to a document discussing the issues preserving/restoring artifacts in the State Historical Museum Moscow.
the source is 'Ancient Vases in the State Historical Museum:History of the Collectionand Some Problems of Restoration' by
Denis Zhuravlev and Georgiy Lomtadze
On page 98 bottom right is a plate or as it is described 'attic red-figure cup' that has a type of greek key design around the outside edge border and two figures in the middle of it, one of the figures is winged and is referred to as Eros. It really does look as though my plate has been significantly influenced by this one?
http://www.academia.edu/2176446/Ancient_Vases_in_the_State_Historical_Museum_History_of_the_Collection_and_Some_Problems_of_Restoration
However, it seems the artifacts were acquired in the 19th and 20th century.
So far I feel very confident my plate is Russian - especially also given my previous comments earlier in the thread where I was struggling to decide whether it might be English or Bohemian, but couldn't pin it to either of those because there was always that 'something' that wasn't quite 'right'.
But I wonder where that plate/cup in the link originated or at least, was viewed to influence the design of my plate? perhaps there were more of them? Perhaps this was a common design and hence the influence for my plate?
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I don't want to link it here but I've found an opaline vase in 'Etruscan style', their words, in the digital glass collection in the Hermitage Museum that has exactly the same handpainted border as my plate and also the use of the burnt orange ground on white opaline glass - I assume their identification is accurate and therefore using this as identification, I am wholly confident my plate is Russian and dates to the 1840's ! yaaay ;D - Source: The Hermitage Museum dot org online collection using search 'glass', the vase is number 336 in the collection.
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http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/fullSize.mac/fullSize?selLang=English&dlViewId=RDE3W5O4ZJWQ76BZ&size=big&selCateg=glassware&dlCategId=BI3%2B40TJ3$DQGARP9R&comeFrom=quick
This is a quicker link to the vase that has the same border decoration as my plate as well as the orange background enamel :)
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http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/fcgi-bin/db2www/fullSize.mac/fullSize?selLang=English&dlViewId=PL%2B23MB4T%2B40SNWQ8EZT&size=big&selCateg=glassware&dlCategId=KL0SK9XDY%2B23GASZKE&comeFrom=browse
I hope this link works ::)
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I have a slight hitch ;D
In the Harrach book 'From Neuwelt to the whole world' Mergl J. page 181, there is a footed vase, straightish sided like a tall goblet type shape. plate 213
It has the up and down zig zag meander pattern on it, painted in the same way as my plate and the same way as that on the vase in the Hermitage Museum id'd as Russian.
The colours on the meander pattern are on the same sides of the 3d design as my plate (I now realise two of the colours on the Russian vase meander pattern were the opposite way round to two of the colours on the meander pattern on my plate) although the meander pattern is still, I believe, the same on all three pieces. It uses the same three colours with a dark brown on the 'shadow' face of the pattern and, as far as I can see on the Harrach one, also the fine gilded line on the thin edge facing the viewer.
The body on the vase in the Harrach book is white opaline but is painted in the orange enamel background like my plate. It matches my plate exactly even with production processes taken into account.
The design is described as - 'orange ground with white slipped figures of two Roman soldiers with added black and gold outlines'.
I'm not quite sure what they mean about 'white slipped' because it looks to me as though the body of the soldiers is just the background white opaline of the vase and then they have been outlined (in black and gold apparently although they look as though they are outlined in dark brown with the odd gold highlight around the shield for example) and then the orange has been painted as a background to finish around the outlines of the soldiers.
My angel is done the same way. The picture doesn't look as though it is the same decorator as my angel, it's a bit less 'freehand', but that could be because there is no wear at all on the vase in the Harrach book so it may look 'cleaner/crisper' - but the detail and delicacy of it is similar if you see what I mean (i.e it's more similar in spirit to my angel than anything like for example the transfer printed warrior on my other Etruscan Harrach vase).
The problem is the description - it says this vase is in the Municipal Museum and Library Caslav - inv.no. CHS 47. 'Gifted by Count Johann von Harrach in 1910'. But there is no production number linking it to Harrach.
It then has a description of the vase (as I've part quoted above). Then a new paragraph that simply says
'As noted by J. Brozova, scenes with Antique Revival figures were probably chosen from books of templates noted in the glassworks' possession already c.1835, see Passau 1995, vol III, ill.no lll 30.
I have Passau 1995 Vol lll- the vase in this Harrach books looks nothing like the vase illustrated at there source ill.no lll - and when I translated the description in that book, it doesn't state anything I can see that would describe this vase on plate 213 in the Harrach book.
It merely describes a few pieces as a reference to the Etruscan/classical style vases that were produced for various other companies (and even when describing the jug in that book that the reference is under, it says 'probably decorated by Hoffman' i.e. it's all probably/possibly, talking about the revival of the classical style in decoration, but no definitive production numbers for either that jug or the vase I've just found in the Harrach book.
So my problem is this. I can see that my plate and the vase in the Harrach book are from the same maker without a doubt. I am very sure of that.
I can see that the vase in the Hermitage identified as Russian, has good similarities to my plate, enough to make me feel my plate could be Russian, but not as close as the vase in the Harrach book.
The vase in the Hermitage is id as Russian
and the vase in the Harrach book is not formally id'd except to say given by Count Harrach in 1910 (60 years after it was made). With references to another book that also does not describe or state that vase is Harrach.
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This apparently Harrach vase doesn't look the same as any other products in the Etruscan style that I've found made by Harrach and doesn't have any design features in common with them.
And...we've been here before with Richardson's donating pieces to Broadfield House that were identified as Richardson pieces, only to discover they weren't Richardson at all.
To add to the confusion, this jug that I linked to here
http://www.auctions-fischer.de/catalogues/online-catalogues/194-russian-art-faberge-icons.html?L=1&kategorie=2&artikel=1963&L=1&cHash=372f9e9d17
was identified as Russian by Fischers.
The Harrach book shows a vase in the same design (same colours etc as well) page 182, identified as Harrach but with no production number just a reference to how prolific they featured in the orders of two companies.
So... is it or isn't it? The first vase I referred to in the book and this vase that is like the jug has the same meader pattern as my plate - I feel sure the first vase is the same maker for definite, but is it Russian or is it Bohemian from Harrach?
::)
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I have just bought a mammoth 24" (60cm) tall vase ... had to rescue it... am wondering where to hide it if it arrives in one piece ;D
I think it must have been an exhibition piece as it is so huge.
It has a meander pattern on it that looks like my plate and is an Etruscan design. I think it has similarities to the vase in the Hermitage but need it to get here to be able to compare to that vase and my plate.
Hopefully it might be the 'missing link'.
There is no sign of anything similar to it in the Harrach book, so I'm hopeful it's Russian.
And I've not found any other vases/references that have the 'flying' objects scattered around the decoration as the one in the Hermitage does. This mammoth one also has those :)
Hope it does actually arrive as the owner is very nervous about trying to pack it, not surprisingly. Will post pics if it does.
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http://www.museum.bristolblueglass.com/white-opaline-spill-vase-ca-1840/#.UnklLPnIZqM
just posting for future reference
This vase is in the Bristol museum website as Richardson - it's in Etruscan style.
Unfortunately there are no close ups of the decoration so I can't see if it's transfer printed or painted. I think it might be tranfer printed? and the background orange handpainted over the white opaline.
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Been looking at the white glass of this plate a bit more closely and wondering if the plate is earlier than I though.
It's milch glas and just feels it could be earlier.
~Found a cup and saucer, Vienna Porcelain dated 1834 - Lot 752 here that uses the orange
https://www.dorotheum.com/auktionen/auktionstermine/aktuelle-auktionen/kataloge/list-lots/auktion/10577-osterauktion-kunst-und-antiquitaten.html
unfortunately they delete their pictures so it wont enlarge any more.
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It's taken me a while to work out what she is, but I think she's an allegorical depiction of Spring?
I came across this on another vase
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/26723027_russian-glass-pokal-ruby-cut-to-clear-covered-urn
which prompted me to look up pictures of the angels on Alexander's Column in St Petersburg on the bas relief panels
http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/photo/russia-saint-petersburg-bas-relief-in-high-res-stock-photography/129298725
and finally came around to thinking she might represent Spring,
This is another example:
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/13470468_french-terra-cotta-allegorical-figure-of-spring
and here
http://www.artnet.com/artists/pietro-de-angelis/an-allegorical-figure-of-spring-a-EQwk-mDbVzkaEmXRHdxu7Q2
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This link is to a porcelain covered wine glass with handles in the Museum. (you can enlarge for brilliant closeups by clicking on the updown arrow symbol on the bottom right and then scrolling to enlarge the picture)
https://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/portal/hermitage/digital-collection/08.+Applied+Arts/916465/?lng=en
The orange enamel is identical to the colour of that on my plate (see bottom photo here for direct comparison of true colour) and is the same odd matt texture viewed in close up (see top photo for the curious enamel effect)
My plate is milchglas and I had said previously on the thread that I thought it might date earlier having had a closer look at the glass.
This enamel is the same as my plate. The wine glass is dated second half of the 1820's.
There is one other thing. My plate has a completely smooth matt ground base, very flat and beautifully and finely smoothly ground.
I've seen that base before on Hyalith glass which dates to early 1830s. I've never seen it on anything else. It's like touching fine alabaster and is the same on the Hyalith.
I started off thinking the plate dated around 1850s but I do think now it is much earlier than that.
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all and any comments welcome - even if it is to say that you don't agree that the colour or enamel is the same?
Anyone?
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http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=473380001&objectid=68568
Opaque white glass feeding cup with heavy gilded decoration including greek key design and gilding design around white repeat pattern spaces.
Imperial Glassworks, St Petersburg Russia, dating 1780-1800
In the British Museum.
Curator comments: 'For a comparable piece with less elaborate decoration see 'Russian Glass of the 17th-20th Centuries', exh. cat. Corning Museum of Glass, Corning, New York, April-October 1990, by N. Asharina, T. Malinina, L. Kazakova, no. 18, State History Museum, inv. 674'
I have that book - the cup is the same design (shape, central hole, spout hole etc) but has different gilded decor and painting on it.
My plate also has the gilding, greek key design, white opaque glass, and resist decoration. I think it is possible my plate could date as early as 1780.
Cup in British Museum
Item description:
Museum number
1994,0701.1
Description
Full: Front
Feeding cup; opaque-white glass; mould-blown; cylindrical with out-turned rim pierced by a small circular hole for drinking from; rim folded over to form the top of the cup, pierced in the centre with a circular hole to allow for filling with liquid; pontil smoothed off underneath resulting in a rough circular patch in centre of base; decorated with a landscape scene painted in purple on a blue ground of a ruined arch with gate, trees, a ruined circular brick tower to the right of which are two standing figures and a tree behind a broken brick wall and rocks, with trees in the background of the entire scene; '
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'gilt Greek key motif between gilt lines near the foot and interlaced guilloche in resist on a gold band near rim; gilt line above painted scene and on rim and around central hole in top, handle partly gilt.'
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?partid=1&assetid=473380001&objectid=68568
and this plate from the Imperial Porcelain Factory has a very similar swag design around the central picture as that around the central angel on my plate
http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details/collection_image_gallery.aspx?assetId=1478498001&objectId=26748&partId=1
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This beaker has exactly the same design of the swags, drops and dots as my plate :)
Стакан с двойными стенками «Вершининский». Бахметьевский завод. Мастер А.Вершинин. Около 1800 года
A glass of the double-walled " Vershininsky ." Bahmetevsky plant . Master A.Vershinin . About 1800
http://www.nasledie-rus.ru/img/680000/682109.jpg
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this piece according to the description, dates to c.1830s and is French - so a French 'Etruscan style' design piece, with orange enamel and gilding and on a 'milchglas' base glass item:
http://www.proantic.com/display.php?mode=obj&id=181053
Although there are differences on this underplate of this piece in terms of the base, I can also see similarities.
Also, athough unconnected in terms of type of glass and design, I have found a flacon eau de Melisse which, I believe from similar items,dates to the 1820's and has similar 'gothic' design pattern on it:
http://www.anticstore.com/flacon-eau-melisse-opaline-monture-neogothique-bronze-dore-epoque-charles-x-46324P
So I suspect, from all these examples given in my last few posts,that I'm correct about my plate dating to quite a bit earlier than mid 1800s ... dates looking most likely perhaps around 1820s although it could be earlier.
re the angel - I've come across one glass (French), that has a facial depiction on it that looks so similar to the face on the angel it made me stop and look again. However, this may be an artistic 'style' rather than a similar period of course. That dates to late 18thc.
Apart from that, the only observation is the way her hair is curled back around her face and I've only seen that on Russian angels.
Caveat - this is just an update, my searches are not 'exhaustive'. Any further information or updates welcomed :)
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This plate has enamelled people on it with similar faces and technique to my very large 'etruscan' vase - possibly from the same factory.
The base of the plate is polished shiny and it has what appears to be a polished pontil mark.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-French-OPALINE-Glass-Plate-Roman-Soldier-Portrait-Medallion-Art-Bohemian-/172600187357?hash=item282fc5d9dd:g:px8AAOSwuzRXeb4n
Just adding for comparison in type of finish and style of enamelled design.
It's a completely different base finish to my plate, my plate having a flat base and completely matt finish done in a similar/same way that the base of an Hyalith bowl I own.
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close up of a design painted onto a porcelain piece from Sevres of the service made for Catherine II of Russia. It is still blurred because the image is very tiny on the piece in real life.
This was made in 1778-79. The lady on the left has a good similarity with the lady on my plate. The enamel used for decorating it also has a similar look to the texture of the enamel. I wonder if they used similar stuff to enamel glass as they did soft paste porcelain which is what this is?
this is the close up of the decoration:
click here (http://www.christies.com/img/LotImages/2016/CKS/2016_CKS_11955_0330_004(a_pair_of_sevres_two-handled_bleu_celeste_ice-pails_covers_and_liners).jpg?height=400)
and here is the piece:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/a-pair-of-sevres-two-handled-bleu-celeste-6010090-details.aspx
edited to add - wow, I've just seen what price that set went for. Oh to have one squirreled away somewhere ;D
link to closeup of my plate
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=52048.0;attach=127867;image
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just came across this interesting piece and article
http://haughtongallery.co.uk/portfolio/extremely-rare-highly-important-opaque-white-english-chinoiserie-glass-vase-cover/
http://haughtongallery.co.uk/portfolio/extremely-rare-highly-important-opaque-white-english-chinoiserie-glass-vase-cover/
don't know about the description but thought I'd add it to this thread.
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A Russian vase with an angel
https://www.tretyakovgallerymagazine.com/articles/2-2016-51/english-pottery-russia-18th-and-19th-centuries
'Vase with Heraldic Badge of the Prince of Wales
Sergei Poskochin factory, Morye Village, St. Petersburg Province, Russia. 1830s
Creamware. Height: 24 cm, diameter of body: 11.2 cm. Impressed mark reads
“S. Poskochin”, impressed markings read “F.P.”
Entered the State Historical Museum collection in 1922 as part of a group of privately
owned items submitted for safekeeping during World War One
(1914-1918) and never reclaimed. State Historical Museum'
http://www.tg-m.ru/img/mag/2016/2/art_51_09_01_1.jpg
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A Milchglas plaque with an angel on it - dated c.1800/1810 Friederich Egermann Blottendorf Bei Haida.
She doesn't look like my angel. The closest depiction I have found to the style of painting of her face is on a French 18th century tumbler. But at the moment I think the type of milchglas and the base finish of the plate (beautifully ground flat like Hyalith glass pieces are) for some reason doesn't indicate French glass to me. And perhaps the use of the angel indicates the fashion of that period so perhaps giving another date indicator for my plate.
Plakette aus Milchglas Friedrich Egermann, Blottendorf bei Haida, um 1800/1810 Ovale
https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/dr-fischer/catalogue-id-fischer10005/lot-3e808577-f3eb-45e9-bad2-a44500b540ca
https://cdn.globalauctionplatform.com/f8f8009d-7767-4bfe-90c3-a44500b450fe/12ea1155-493e-4ecc-bddc-a44500b94094/original.jpg
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http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_27085
milk glass plate end 18th century
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Extremely interesting pair of opaline vases here - although no definitive id. No idea if the description is correct. Anyone else?
https://www.proantic.com/en/display.php?mode=obj&id=464030
The enamel decorating technique looks very similar to the plate.
Close ups are possible - click on the cross and then again where the enamelling can be seen very well.
https://www.proantic.com/galerie/le-marchand-de-hasard/img/464030-4.jpg
The blue looks on close examination to be a similar consistency and applied in the same way as the orange on my plate.
The characters are enamelled in quite detailed outline in a sepia brown.
The hair has similarities but I don't think the faces do.
The base of the vases has a very large pontil mark that looks either to be polished or very finely ground. In comparison the base of the plate is also beautifully polished flat finely ground rather than shiny.
Object description by seller:
'Object description :
"Pair Of Large Vases In Opaline Middle Nineteenth"
Pair of large opaline vases baluster shape, decorated with an antique frieze on a blue background in the middle of the body, your violin and taupe highlighted with gold net. Wear of use, mainly with the gilding. Restoration period. Good general condition, no fears, no egrenures. Dimensions: Maximum height: 30,50 cm. Diameter of the base: 10,20 cm. Diameter of the top horn: 13,60 cm'
It is probably my imagination (and just a similarity of style) but the face on this early 18th century tumbler reminds me of the angel's face:
https://madparis.fr/francais/musees/musee-des-arts-decoratifs/dossiers-thematiques/chronologie-du-verre/du-siecle-des-lumieres-a-l-3821#&gid=1&pid=5
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ceramic teapot painted with angel (Mytologie) and there are a number of pieces with winged depictions on them in a similar vein. C. 1800.
http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_4326
and also this plate
http://sbirky.moravska-galerie.cz/dielo/CZE:MG.U_15385
I think my plate might be earlier than I'd thought and perhaps c.early 1800s.
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page 13 out of 24 Buquoysche Glashutte becher with angel in similar vein:
https://www.zobodat.at/pdf/JOM_120a_0211-0224.pdf
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This plate has enamelled people on it with similar faces and technique to my very large 'etruscan' vase - possibly from the same factory.
The base of the plate is polished shiny and it has what appears to be a polished pontil mark.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-French-OPALINE-Glass-Plate-Roman-Soldier-Portrait-Medallion-Art-Bohemian-/172600187357?hash=item282fc5d9dd:g:px8AAOSwuzRXeb4n
Just adding for comparison in type of finish and style of enamelled design.
It's a completely different base finish to my plate, my plate having a flat base and completely matt finish done in a similar/same way that the base of an Hyalith bowl I own.
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This plate is milchglas and has the same base finish as my plate:
https://antikes-glas.de/en/josephinenhuette/milk-glass-plate-with-painted-view-castle-eisenberg-p-1196.html
This set is attributed to Friedrich Egermann - has enamelled medallions including one in orange and sepia painted portraits.
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/friedrich-egermann-schluckenau-1777-1864-haida-at-489-c-2734d49976#