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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriss on April 03, 2013, 09:03:03 PM
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Hi I have a hand blown glass pitcher with a ground and polished pontil mark and an applied handle. There is a 'pulled' ripple or wave detail to the walls of the pitcher and the colour is cinnamon I think as it's a pale brown with a hint of pink almost to it. I was hoping that someone can say if this is Whitefriars please and if not, does anyone know any other info about it please?
I've tried looking on the Whitefriars.com website but can't find any waved pitchers and due to a site issue, cannot upload anything onto the isit section. I have found a previous thread started by David E about the difference between Webb and Whitefriars wave ribbed glass (if that's what mine is?) http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3617.msg28074.html#msg28074
mine has 6 waves around it, but I may be jumping the gun as I haven't determined it's WF yet :D
Any info gratefully received please :))
Thanks
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Sorry a definite no possibly Webb or Stuart .
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almost certainaly Webb's 'Ribbonette' pattern - I'll look for a link showing the distinctive swags. Always a good idea to give the height which, assuming this is Webb's, should be c. 6" (153mm). Webb's pieces are not always marked, unfortunately.
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In the two attached pix, the first shows a jug, in clear, similar to yours - together with tumbler and wine - the other shows the style of backstamp that would probably have been on your jug had it been marked.
The factory pattern No. for 'Ribbonette' is 33130 which was apparently introduced in 1910 - and according to Charles Hajdamach was still showing in catalogues in 1927 - 28. Of course, it may have continued for even longer, but I've no way of knowing. Should you have a spare decather stopper for this pattern please do let me know. ;)
this link shows the six pointed slightly swag style of pattern that might be confused with W/Fs or other patterns made by Webb.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=51074.0;attach=121519
Mod: Link corrected http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51074.0.html
Ref. '20th Century British Glass' - Charles R. Hajdamach - 2009.
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Your link isn't working ???
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tis working for me Christine ?? will someone else please try for me, thanks :)
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Works for me. And the jug by original poster is not W/F as John said........
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I'm satisfied that the brown jug at the beginning of this thread is Webb's 'Ribbonette' - as are all the other images shown so far in this thread.
Perhaps wrong of me to use the word 'swag' in reference to 'Ribbonette'.......... probably better to leave that description to other factories/designs, and not to use it for this particular type of six pointed pulled design.
thanks for confirming my link is working :)
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Thankyou everyone for all your help and great information :))
Yes Paul S it is 6" tall :) But sadly, I've only got this pitcher in this pattern, no decanter lid, but I will keep a look out in the shop I purchased it from and let you know if I find one :))
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The link creates a download not a direct link
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Christine - I was using the word 'link' in the simple sense that my pasted 'shortcut' was a connection (link) to something else - on this occasion I did only want to show that single image. Presumably, in pc parlance, my use of the word 'link' was wrong, and should be used only when pasting a shortcut to an entire thread (or should that be url ?). I will remember in future that 'download' is the correct term for single images such as the one above, and thanks for your correction. .......... "please be gentle, I'm new to computers" ;)
Chriss, I don't know where you are, or the places from which you acquire glass, but can say that examples of 'Ribbonette' do turn up occasionally, and it might be worthwhile keeping your jug for a year or so as you might find some matching tumblers - perhaps from ebay - that's assuming you're a collector and wish to keep your jug. Water sets/jugs are a popular collecting area, mostly inexpensive, and make a good show - they come in many colours with some attractive pressed uranium ones - I seem to recall that the W/Fs jug is ruby with a clear handle.
Don't know the full range of colours (for water sets) offered by Thomas Webb during this period, but they appear to have made brown, amber, a watery turquoise and of course clear. Possibly the most attractive are those in uranium, and I've attached a pic of a set of these although the pattern is not 'Ribbonette'.
Should you find a decanter stopper for me, I'll be over the moon, but I regret to say that the probability is almost zero, unfortunately ;D
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I don't think there's an easy answer to linking to an individual pic on this board. I didn't realise it was downloading anything, which is why I said it didn't work and I know not everyone will download things.
You can bring up an individual reply by copying the link to the header of your reply http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,51074.msg289591.html#msg289591
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i am a collector of glass, I mainly love Iridescent Art Nouveau and Austrian but keep going off at tangents! :)) I will be keeping the pitcher as I love the colour and pattern and thanks for the advice, i will look out for a decanter stopper though so fingers crossed :))
I live in the uk and get my glass from car boot sales, antique and collectors fairs and shops and charity shops local to me, though have got a few wonderful buys through Ebay so will watch out for matching tumblers, you never know :)) Thanks for all your help and fantastic info, much appreciated :D
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Hi,
I've long been calling these jugs as being by Webb, but with no proof, so nice one Paul!
Cheers, Nigel
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That's cos Paul linked to the attached image rather than the topic itself... I've amended his post to sort it. :)
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in his defence, and whilst appreciating he is Mr. Thicky when it comes to teky matters, Paul S. has asked me to comment, on his behalf, as follows: ;)
"the single image link was chosen deliberately to convey solely the six pointed pulled design as found in Webb's Ribbonette - a pattern unlike either the W/Fs swags and the more common wave pattern found on much of Webb's glass.
"unfortunately, the amendment to the single image link now brings up the whole of a previous thread, with the heading 'sapphire glass', that concerned a piece that featured a W/Fs swags pattern (it matters not whether it was, or wasn't, a piece of genuine W/Fs). There is every chance that this may well now confuse people when they view the link, by not knowing exactly what they should be looking for - plus it does appear a more convoluted way of extracting a very small piece of information from the whole of a two page post".
I understand that Paul S. might very well be on holiday now - for many weeks even.......... ;)
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Please tell Paul that he ask Anne to use the link I inserted, as that pulls up the relevant answer containing the picture and not the whole thread
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could you please tell Paul S when you see him not to go off on his hols any time soon - I have too much glass that needs Id-ing and I want to ask his opinion on a washed out turquoise tankard I think might be a Webbs Ribbonette one
Thanks, mel :-*
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;D ;D........ I now understand that due to the recession he is unable to go on his hols., and is available all day Thursdays at the rear of the bike sheds for consultations and id ing. ;)
stupid old sod is probably just over-sensitive, and thanks for the comments girls.
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Paul, please don't feel got-at. :-* I'd not realised you were deliberately linking to the image, and when it made the download instead of opening it (which I never do) I just thought it had gone wonky somewhere. My bad. :-[
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Paul, can't wait until Thursday lol - so here's the tankard
6 point star, straight lines rather than curvy swags etc, etc
opinion? Ribbonette? also have matching brown glasses and jug from original post in same pattern- it would be nice to tie it up once and for all
Mel
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Yes, probably Webb, they're on the board already somewhere. They come in various colours, I have a brown one, and someone (Chris?) has them in various colours.
Edited to add link to earlier topic: http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,5922.0.html
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does look like Ribbonette Mel. These indistinct patterns are not easy to photograph, and with Ribbonette it's always best to include a picture viewed from above, so that the six point design can be seen. The colour seems to match the blue Ribbonette jug in the W/Fs.com link given by Emmi (reply #9 dated 21.01.13 in thread headed 'sapphire glass') - both jp and Emmi were of the opinion that this Webb's 'blue' does not quite match W/Fs blue - fortunately the moulded patterns are such that it's easy to differentiate the two factories. Obviously your pieces are without a backstamp - irritating that Webb didn't mark all their material.
Unfortunately, just to complicate matters there is a another pattern from Thomas Webb (definitely Webb as there is a backstamp), which is slightly remeniscent of the Woodchester look - and which is sometimes called 'Conifer', although think I've also seen it called 'Water' - but I'm not really sure that it does have a factory name. It certainly doesn't have that distinctiveness of Ribbonette - I'll try and post some pix later today.
Anne - I was mostly teasing - don't give it a second thought. :)
Chris seems to have done very well acquiring his Ribbonette tankards - looks a good collection.
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Anne, I remember reading that thread earlier in the year, thanks for reminding me
Paul, yes a devil to photo, you're right there
- don't confuse me any more - woodchester? water? argh!! lol
Ok, well I'll go with 'probably' Webb Ribbonette' then
thanks all,
Mel
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I'll try not to, Paul, but you know I'm such a sensitive soul and... and... :'( :'( :'(
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