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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: chriss on April 14, 2013, 10:02:57 PM
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Hi I have an unmarked vase with a highly textured surface like crackle glass and a high iridescence between the recesses showing multiple colours. There is a subtle chalk like finish to the raised textured parts of the vase. No pontil mark to the base, but the shape of the base reminds me of Royal Brierley Studio Glass. The interior glass is a single dark blue block colour. It stands 8" tall and is just over 7" width across the widest point. The person who I purchased this from said that he brought it in the 70's but that was all he could remember about it. Does anyone know what this is please? Thanks :)
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Interestingly I saw one of these last week at the antiques centre where I have a cabinet. It seemed well made and it weighed a ton. The glass was too thick to let light through
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Chriss, I suppose it is a recent purchase from Ebay. I was the underbidder.... Anyway, I don't know the maker.
Attila
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Wonder if its a relative of this one I have. Photo was taken under a bright light to show detail, however in normal light it appear to be the close to the one posted only in green & a different shape. Mine also shows multiple colors & a chalk like effect in normal light.
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Yours looks quite shiny Ken. The one I saw was quite matte looking - almost the kind of thing you'd mistake for ceramic without seeing the top edge
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I asked a question on this forum about the one on ebay a couple of weeks back as I was interested , I got no reply and then forgot about it . jp
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I just stumbled onto this one. Don't think it's of much help though :(
http://www.rubylane.com/item/370063-004297/Antique-Art-Glass-Vase-Bohemian
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There are three topics on the board about Cozeta/Ozeta glass. They seem to be a current maker in Murano that makes "ancient" style glass objects. The finishes vary considerably and there label could be easily removed.
Ross
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Hi all
Lustrousstone is there any possibility of finding out anything about the glass in that cabinet please? Thankyou :))
brain_11 , no I'm afraid it wasn't me on ebay, i purchased it a while ago from a dealer that I know who was running a stall at a local antique and collectors fair in the Midlands, I don't know how much the vase on ebay went for but i never paid much for this one :) He bought it in the early to mid 70's and thought that it was new at the time, but can't remember anything else about it. He is a general dealer and not into glass at all. I thought it may be Royal Brierley Studio glass because of the shape of the neck and recess to the base but that was just a guess ??? I don't know if it's the same as the one johnphillip mentions as I can't find it but would love to see a picture or the ebay item number or any other info that i could look into to get more info if possible to either ebay listings please? :)
The glass that Ohio has is very similar to my centre piece purchased last year from Ebay which i put a question out about it's id before with no luck that time -
'Iridescent glass centre piece info please?'
but I think that it may be a Kralik piece as to me, there is a similar(ish?) shade listed as number 20 here ? https://sites.google.com/site/loetzandglass/kralik-1a--id-by-shape
The glass on my vase is quite thick and no light can get through it, but the one on the link by Tezlar76 looks see through to me, but i could be mistaken? (thankyou though :D)
Ahremch I am not doing very well with finding the threads on this message board that you mentioned, is there any chance of sending me a little more info please?
Thanks very much to all for your help though, much appreciated :))
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Lustrousstone is there any possibility of finding out anything about the glass in that cabinet please?
No, sorry. The dealer knows nothing about glass
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k thanks anyway :)
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To find the threads on Cozeta take yourself back to the main index page (ie. Home) and then use the search at the top right hand corner.
Ross
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Thanks for the info, couldn't access or find it before for some reason but that was down to pc problems I think :/
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Chriss...went through Cozeta catalog to try to match up not only yours but mine which I still believe was made by the same manufacturer just the shape is different. There is nothing there to indicate its Cozeta & nothing comes close to matching the finish of either yours or mine. I did find mine on eBay however obviously the attibution is totally incorrect so not much luck.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Art-Glass-Cone-Bronze-Base-Table-Vase-Art-Deco-Green-Iridescent-Stueben-/360622733006?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D360622733006%26_rdc%3D1&nma=true&si=SPLoIJF3ojjLqb7LKaM3ml6Egpw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557#ht_5167wt_806
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Yes, lovely piece of glass looking at the Ebay glass, I'm sure that's the same type of glass as my centre peice, near identical metal stand in it's shape, style, ect just my glass is wider at the base, thankyou for that :D Shame i never saw it when it was live as I would have tried to win that :) I purchased mine through ebay from a large american glass seller who said it was of loetz quality but couldn't attribute it specifically to anything for sure :)) The original glass on this thread though is different, it is heavier and doesn't let light through at all and has a more powdery/chalky surface with the crackle effect also being finer detail? The 2nd image is using a flash and it is as if the glass effect is reversed on each though there is a light chalky surface to the centre peice in natural light? Thankyou for your help :)
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The item in the photos below is quite different in shape to the one that started this thread, but it does share several characteristics that others in the thread do not have. It is 17.5cm high by 14cm wide by 8.5cm deep. It is obviously blown into a mould and machined off at the top. I would describe it as only moderately heavy, at about 630g. The walls are almost completely opaque, although a strong torch held close shows a distinct purple tone to the little amount of light that does get through. The blue iridescence is similar to the first item in the post, and the crevices have a distinct silvery blue colour as in the original. Some crevices here are quite severe, as seen in photos 2 and 3, although that could well be a manufacturing variation. It has a dry, almost chalky, feel to it.
I have a record somewhere that this item is Japanese. I even knew the maker once, but annoyingly I cannot remember nor can I find the record.
When I bought it I was told it was made by the Australian studio artist Colin Heaney in his Vitrolith series. A quick scan of Google for "Heaney Vitrolith" is ready confirmation that it is not so. The fact that it is blown into a mould also rules out that source. The seller's authority for that incorrect attribution was an auction record here in Australia for an identical item, which was live in late 2007. That auction record has disappeared from the Internet. I didn't keep a record of the auction web page, either, but I may have saved a photo because the item in photo 4 is another specimen just like mine.
Trevor
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I'm reviving this topic because of continuing interest in securing an identification. Despite the obvious difference in shape, I believe the classically rounded vase that started this thread and the geometric one I posted in Reply #15 are from the same maker. I described earlier the similarities in manufacturing method, colour and texture. There is more evidence below to support their common heritage.
I noted in my earlier reply to this thread that such items have been attributed to the Australian glass artist Colin Heaney - falsely I believe.
My motive in pursuing the identification is not just an abiding curiosity (although what’s wrong with that?) but also the wish to settle an attribution that recurs. There are two items on ebay.au that are clearly related to my geometric item of Reply #15: one is exactly the same shape but a different colour, while the other is a somewhat different shape in the same colour. As you can see from the listings, the seller of those items has adjusted the descriptions after receiving messages from other members:
www.ebay.com.au/itm/281443263635
www.ebay.com.au/itm/281443260457
I mentioned seeing the Heaney attribution used in an online report of an auction house. From there it has been taken up by a "collectables" annual, which is cited as an authority. The same identification can be seen on an Australian glass dealer’s web site, where both classically rounded and geometric vessels are offered (although none exactly same shape as either of the two that I’m connecting from this thread). The most convenient way to see the group of them is to open the following website at the top level and enter "Heaney" as a search term:
http://www.allageglassgallery.com
So, where do these come from and why are so many of them surfacing in Australia? I noted earlier I had once seen good evidence of Japanese origin (which might explain their prevalence here), but I have not kept any record of that information. Can anyone further this quest?
Trevor
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I hope this is persistence, not pestilence. I have some new evidence that the answer to this query will be found in fairly common mould-blown items in a wide variety of shapes with the characteristic iridescent crackle finish.
Another query on GMB more than seven years ago (link below) describes a closely related vase. That other vase is also round and high-waisted along classical lines, but at 23cm it is slightly taller than the query item of the present thread, and it differs in having only the slightest hint of the flared opening that distinguishes the present query. I believe the suggested connection to Royal Brierley in that other thread is a red herring in the search for the maker there (and here). The other item has a definite crackle surface with some fairly deep fissures, where the RB items offered as comparators are all much more deliberately textured with a surface that is smoother overall. The appearance of the iridescence down inside the fissures of the vase of that topic is a feature quite different from anything to be seen on the RB pieces.
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,17152
In contrast, the textural features and colouration seen and described in the other vase are also found in the original item of this thread. The one point of difference (apart from the shapes, as noted) is the descriptions given for the base glass material. In the other thread it is called "very dark vivid violet that reads as black", while here it is described as "single dark blue block colour". I'm allowing that this difference is a matter of perception, or perhaps a manufacturing variation, when I contend that the query item of the other thread from 7+ years ago and the query item in this thread are closely related.
Further, I have more direct evidence to connect these two classically round vases to a range of geometric vases as illustrated in Reply #15. A week ago I was in an 'antiques' emporium where I was surprised to find a display by the dealer I referenced in Reply #16. I managed to photograph the three items together in a cabinet (photo below). Importantly, one of these items is round, although in a shape that is different again from the two items in the topics I am connecting. In addition to the similarity of construction and finish of the three items in the photo to each other, they have the same surface as the original items of both topics. This shows that these iridised crackle vases were produced in a variety of shapes.
In the time since my previous post on this topic, another related item in a squat geometric shape has been sold on ebay.au. Thus we now have identified nine items from the same series, in quite different shapes but with a consistent construction and finish. (I'm discounting one of the ebay items that has same iridised crackle finish but on a different colour base material.)
Thus it seems the search for a maker should include the other shapes while keeping focus on the characteristic iridised crackle finish. Many of these items have been found in Australia, but I don't know whether that location is significant or only observer bias on my part. As I said earlier, I had once seen indications of Japanese origin, but annoyingly I cannot recall the details. Other information suggests they date from the 1980s (rather that the 1970s suggested for the query item), but that is mostly hearsay.
Trevor
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I saw some similar pieces in the 70's-80's that were produced in China or Taiwan. I had a sample or 2 when I was selling Chinese imports during that time. Some where I had a catalog showing some of these wares, but can't put my hands on it at present. That may explain the presence of some of these items in Australia. Trying to identify the individual manufacturer from these regions is difficult. Taiwan, at one point in the 70's-80's had many glass manufacturers making all types of stuff. There were several large districts that subleased individual spaces to many small manufacturers that sometimes only existed for short periods of time and then another group took over the space and make entirely different items. They made whatever their agents could get orders for and they thought they could produce at a small profit.
As I recall we were marketing these with a drilled bottom for use as small lamp bases. They were the traditional vase shaped items with a "scavo" type finish.