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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: pnutsateup on May 05, 2013, 04:37:20 PM
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I have two cranberry with white overlay decanter sets. The tallest one in the picture has 15. inside the opening and on the stopper, and the shorter one has 71 inside the opening. These marks are the only ones that I can find on any of the pieces, including the glasses. The two amber pieces to the left in the picture have no marks on them. Thank you for any information you can offer on these pieces.
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Those numbers are so you have the correct stopper in each decanter as they do differ .
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I would like to know by who and when these were made. And a idea of how much they are worth. One is 12.5" high (16" w/ stopper), 4" base, and 2" opening. The bottom is pictured. The matching cups are 2.5" high, 1.5" base, and 2.25" rim. The other is 11" high, 3.5" base, and 2" opening. The matching stem glasses are 4" high, 2.5" base, and a 2" rim. The two amber pieces are 5.5" high, 2" base, and 1.5" opening.
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you may have to be patient for a while - not everyone looks in on a regular basis. I've just looked through the Truit's book, and these white cased (usually over cranberry, but sometimes over blue or even clear), seem to have been produced not uncommonly from the 1880's through to the years leading up the second war - a lot appear to have been made in the 1920 and 1930 period. There are high end pieces from a number of factories including Harrach, Biedermeier, Oertel, the Pfohl family (who appear to have also produced some pieces in the 1980's) - and then it seems there are unidentified producers.
So, you may a difficult task on your hands, unfortunately - but am sure someone will be able to offer some help. :)
Board members tend not to offer valuations - the value of anything is very subjective and what one person values highly, another may not. Your best bet for values is to contact local aution houses, or looking at ebay may well offer some guide.
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Thanks for your response. If there is more specific information that may be helpful in identifying these, let me know and I will post it.
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Sometimes wear can help to indicate age (or not) - the undersides of older decanters can often show considerable wear, and if this were from the C19 you'd expect some reasonable signs of wear. I notice that you don't offer any information as to the source of these pieces - were they from an auction house, some great aunt twice removed who went on the Grand Tour, or did you buy them whilst on a holiday in recent years.
I suspect these things have been made more prolifically than might be imagined, and an attribution could be nigh on impossible. But you're right in saying that these are generally described as Bohemian, even though technically that country ceased to exist in 1918 (I think) - it's an historic description I believe, and I get the impression that collectors prefer the word, rather than saying Czechoslovakian - it sounds more romantic. :)
Now Dirk will come and tell us we should still use the name Bohemia ;D
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There is still current production of similar items, not only in Bohemia but also in Hungary and in Russia/ Ukraine so these may be more recent than you'd hope. A set of six often points at recent - not all six would survive a longer period.
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I believe you are right. Some of the wind went out of my sails after finding a spitting image of the set with the tall decanter on eBay being sold as Moser. The two small amber colored pieces do have a 1/16" wide ring scratched into the surface, but the cranberry sets look brand new on the bottom. They were purchased at the estate sale of a late doctor in Tennessee. His obituary read that he traveled many places throughout the world with his wife. We obtained lots of goodies from this sale, including a box with coins from Hong Kong, Singapore, USSR, Finland, Norway, Great Brittan, Sweden, Germany, Portugal, Bermuda, and more. Those along with the other items we acquired, tell that the good doctor got around and had no intentions of taking his money with him. This gives me hope for the other set with the smaller decanter and stem glasses. It is much lighter and has that ting when you flick it, like crystal is supposed to. And the stopper is missing so maybe he didn't buy it new. Until Dirk shows up and bursts my bubble, I may as well guess for the best. Thanks for taking the time.
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Avoiding the topic of czech-german relationships ;D I´d like to add Poschinger to the list of contemporary suspects. They are (or at least
have been until recently) working in this style and they use a kind of cranberry for the inner layer on some of their objects. It is however
a bit more pink-ish than on these pieces if I remember correctly.
The good news would be that Poschinger could be easiest excluded by simply contacting them and asking. They have been helpful towards
other members here in the past.
:)
I´ll go rummaging tonight... there must be some Poschinger somewhere @home.
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This one was a collateral purchase that came with an auction lot. Everything´s a bit different to the decanter
pieces though - flowers, colour etc... Perhaps worth trying to contact Poschinger nevertheless...
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Dirk, I have just email Poschinger with pictures and brief description of what I am trying to accomplish here. Their site was in German, so if they understand it ( I forgot about google's translator)and have the time maybe I will hear something soon. I want to thank you for your the time. If it wouldn't be asking to much, could I trouble you to cruise over to the Glass Paperweights board and take a look at the "Do You Recognize This Signature" thread and see if you have an opinion on it. Thanks again.
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Had a quick look, but... sorry, no idea. :)
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I was up at 5am checking the glass board. And its not like I believe an emperor sat down to dinner with this stuff 100 years ago. Dirk and Paul enabled me and now I'm obsessed. Mit freundlichen Grüßen from Poschinger gave up a clue, but offered no speculation of the manufacturer. Here's the email.
Mod: Sorry but the content of email has been deleted as it contains a specific statement that it should not be copied, disclosed or redistributed without authorisation.
A summary of its contents would be acceptable, e.g. that Poschinger say that, although the items you asked about were similar to Poschinger's production, they were not made by them. Poschinger suggested they may be of Czech manufacture.
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Thanks for passing on the info... so we´re back to the drawing board and
need a specialist on bohemian glass now. ;D
A part of the mail you got says it is confidential and contains copyright protected
information and mustn´t be passed on to third parties - so we should better get
it deleted.
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A part of the mail you got says it is confidential and contains copyright protected
information and mustn´t be passed on to third parties - so we should better get
it deleted.
That's just a standard company disclaimer
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Ok... but what would they write if they really wouldn´t want it to be published anwhere? ;D
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It's just part of the email signature and is automatically added. We have something similar on our emails.
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Thank you, Christine. :-* I´m simply completely unfamiliar with these things.
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Dirk, we thought you were the Bohemian glass specialist ;)
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Where´s the blush emoticon gone? Wish you were right, Paul... ;D
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:-[ It is here Dirk! :-[ I have needed it a few times recently, including today! :-[
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Seems I´m only missing the :hug: one now... ;D :-*
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Glad to see you all are going to hang in there with me. Dirk don't pay attention to Paul if not already you are certainly aspiring to be a Bohemian glass specialist. ;) Thank you Mr. Moderator I believe you summed up the email just fine.
I received a reply from Moser saying the glassware is made from the ruby glass overlay by white enamel. Unfortunately the Moser specialist has no idea from who these products might had been produced. I am waiting on replies from Bohemian-Glass works and the research department of Replacements, Ltd. The set that I found on eBay turned out to be considerably smaller than mine and have no marking on them.
There is a local pawn shop here that has tested gold for me in the past would it be helpful to find out if the trimming on these pieces are real gold? Both sets have been confirmed to be crystal or at least crystal like(if there is such). The coins from the USSR that I mentioned in reply #7 are dated 1980- 81. These photos show the marks better. Now I am counting on our Bohemian glass specialist for my next move.
P.S. Rosie check my paperweight post.
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The gold used for gilding is almost certainly real gold - it generally is on glass, so there is no value in testing
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A very similar piece for sale on Ruby Lane at the moment...it might be worth asking if there is a mark on the base:
http://www.rubylane.com/item/321012-10200P59/Bohemian-Cased-Glass-White-Cut
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quote..................."Seems I´m only missing the :hug: one now"..........I was only joking - I've great respect for Dirk's wide knowledge......but am very happy to offer him a hug if that's all he needs in life. ;D ;)
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quote..................."Seems I´m only missing the :hug: one now"..........I was only joking - I've great respect for Dirk's wide knowledge......but am very happy to offer him a hug if that's all he needs in life. ;D ;)
I think Dirk was referring to the 'hug' smiley we used to have Paul.... but any spare hugs going.......... :-[ ;D
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hello Rosie - my comments were tongue in cheek, and I knew it was only the smiley Dirk was referring to ;) But sshhhh.......we mustn't let people think we can't be serious at least some of the time - hug.....hug....hug ........and if you add an 'e' you get a huge hug ;)
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:) Always serious Paul, ;) and now I am even trying to learn more about other glass, not just Animals & Birds.
I think this Bohemian glass is amazing, not just the cut workfrom milk to ruby, but the artwork as well.
Hope we can help you find the maker pnutsateup (can we please call you pnut?)
I didn't realise that gilding is always real gold Christine...I learn something new every day, so thanks for that info
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Dirk´s feeling slightly black and blue now... 8)
peanutsateup, no experience with it, but you could try contacting the museum in Nový Bor. ???
http://www.glassmuseum.eu/
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Sure Rosie, Pnut is a nickname since birth. Ate up is the expression my dearest uses when I get stuck on something like this.
Replacements, Ltd. replied they do not have any information available on this particular item at this time. I just emailed Kovels and Glass Museum Nový Bor.
:D Sometimes, people who are thousands of miles away can make you feel better than people right beside you. :D