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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: petet63 on May 18, 2013, 03:03:43 PM
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The link below is all I can find about the six glasses I picked up. Really good quality and near identical Edinburgh Crystal mark using the same font and style. I I couldn't find a similar Edinburgh pattern either.. Could the 'Waverleys' be a commission ?? The link below shows that nothing is known and they are much better placed to know than I am.. I am pretty sure Paul's interest is a given and may hopefully have some answers or clues. I hope the link works
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pair-Scottish-Waverley-Edinburgh-Crystal-Whisky-Tumbler-c1955-/350734119363?pt=UK_Art_Glass&hash=item51a961f1c3&nma=true&si=PU66fr%252FkyjEflXPGveBUMm37q20%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Waverly (as you may well know) is the name of the main train station in Edinburgh. I would imagine it's the name of the cut - but unsual to see it on the glass itself. I might well be wrong!
What size are they?
(I seem to be developing an interest in really massive whisky glasses)
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must admit I don't have a clue Pete - never heard of a Waverley pattern from Edinburgh Crystal - and since Alex at Scottish Antiques Inc. has done his research and found nothing, seems you may be onto a loser here. I've also looked through some of the Replacements sites - but can't see anything. However, someone either knew what they were or just liked the look of that pair - but eighty five quid seems a lot for the ebay pair, and the design doesn't particularly rock my boat. Cut whiskey glasses, of one sort or another are not uncommon, and I see them often on my travels.
If you have six, then you could be onto a winner! - depending on what you paid.
I've heard of the Waverley novels - Rob Roy and Ivanhoe etc.
No problem Sue - provided you don't fill them. ;)
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I have been to Waverley a few times in the past. ;D The glasses are only 3 inches high. The one in the picture has a small chip in the rim. Another has a scratch so really only four I would be happy about selling. It does seem that an exhibition, as mentioned in the listing, could explain the commission idea but if as you said Paul that "Alex at Scottish Antiques" couldn't find a link I don't know who will apart from possibly the buyer of the two glasses. Would it be rude to ask The seller/buyer for some info. I know that ultimately I will sell them but I do enjoy finding out all I can.
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quote................"Would it be rude to ask The seller/buyer for some info. I know that ultimately I will sell them but I do enjoy finding out all I can".
I don't see why not - provided you're polite and courteous , you can ask anyone almost anything - at the worst they can only decline to reply.
Never know, they might actually want some of yours in order to complete a small set. At 3" they seem a tad short for cut whiskey glasses - most I see are somewhat taller - perhaps that's their appeal. Anything and everything is collected by someone somewhere, so am sure there are folk who simply collect whiskey glasses. Best of luck. :)
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It's worth mentioning for reference for when the listing vanishes from ebay, that the images in the ebay listing linked above actually show the same marks as the ones Pete shows here, i.e. Waverley Made in Scotland, not the Edinburgh mark. The reference to the Edinburgh mark is in the accompanying text where the seller says the mark is the same shape and font style as the Edinburgh one, but his marked glass says Waverley instead of Edinburgh.
Pete, could you also ask the seller, if you do contact him, if we may add copies of his label and mark to the labels collection for the board please, with credit duly given, of course.
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I have messaged the seller and have given a link to this thread and a short version of events. I will get back if and when I hear from them. I am off to see what i can find about the exhibition.
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I have a reply from Alex at Scottish Antiques, it reads as Follows,
...It was Jill Turnbull who is a glass historian at Edinburgh University who I had shown the glasses to (and she now had a pair for her efforts as I originally had four of them) and she in turn took them to a friend who had worked at Edinburgh Crystal...neither of them could shed any light on the mystery and I could find nothing that would help explain them.
The exhibition idea is really just a theory which 'fits', but if you look at the font and size of the acid etched logo on the base, its IDENTICAL to that used by Edinburgh Crystal in the late 1950's (and later) only difference being 'Waverley' instead of Edinburgh. The paper labels would also point to that date range...outside that I cant see them being fakes mass produced outside the UK as there are not enough of them around for that to make sense...so the exhibition theory would still make sense...it was held at Waverly in Edinburgh and I have no doubt that Edinburgh Crystal would be involved as it was a big thing for the local industry to show their wares. Without attempting to find out if they have a record of that exhibition and if they did exhibit and if so what did they show or make specially for the show...I suspect its all hearsay and subjective. Either way its nice to see something turn up that we cant explain...Hope the above helps and feel free to copy and paste into the message board. Kind regards, Alex
The search goes on.
Pete
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I'd vote a big thanks to Alex for being so generous and helpful with his information - not often that you get that sort of response from the trade, most of whom probably don't bother to research to that extent anyway.
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Yes, I agree Paul. I've been following this thread purely because of the Edinburgh and Waverley links, as I'm not in the least bit interested in crystal stuff, but I was intrigued and Alex's information and comments are invaluable.
Just by the way, because my curiosity was aroused I spent some time finding out about 'The Waverley', which is the only existing passenger carrying paddle steamer in the world, and it's here in the UK! (Had thought that perhaps the glasses had been commissioned for her.)
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I agree too. Sent an email saying as much. Good of him to help.
Anne, I have asked for permission and will let you know.
I will take a look at the steamer possibility. Thanks all, will let you know if I find anything.
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Well here I am trying to research 6 small whisky glasses that I bought at auction.............
all marked as above to the base and every one with a label -'Hand cut crystal, WAVERLEY Made in Scotland'.
Anyone ever find out anything - and do you still require a pic of the label?
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Hi jayjay, I never did find any more than the what is here about the. I have since had a few more of these, only the whisky glasses, and they still intrigue me. An answer may come to light eventually. I would like to see the sticker. I might try again to see what I can dig up. Sorry for the late reply.
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Try again...
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Looks to me as if Waverley is a refinery, not a manufacturer. They would have bought the blanks from Edinburgh Crystal; there are several other brands on the market operating in the same manner. Every time I pass by a tourist shop another brand seems to have sprung up.
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I have since found a few more of the glasses in two different sizes. Edinburgh stopped using that mark so is it ok for another company to adopt it with a small change from Edinburgh to Waverley. Nice to get an answer though. Thanks for that.
Added. It is very good quality crystal and nicely cut. I think it would be a chance more went to America and the rest of the tourists