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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass Paperweights => Topic started by: mildawg on May 21, 2013, 12:22:55 AM

Title: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 21, 2013, 12:22:55 AM

Anyone care to share their thoughts on the two end weights?

http://pinterest.com/pin/478648266616925242/

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 21, 2013, 01:53:01 AM

http://pinterest.com/pin/478648266616925652/

Messed up had to repin.

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: daveweight on May 21, 2013, 11:02:18 AM

The end one on the right is a Murano encasement of cappo di monte type flowers, picture of my copy of this type of weight attached
Dave

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: tropdevin on May 21, 2013, 01:10:42 PM

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The scramble on the left might be antique American, or Old English.  A close up of the canes might help - but canes tend to move around anyway, so that is not always a firm guide to who made a particular paperweight.

Alan

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 21, 2013, 02:23:11 PM

Thanks to both of you.  Dave your weight looks so much better with the dark background. Is this a common sulphide?  I don't believe I have seen it before.

Alan,  I will see what I can do with getting better pics.  My thought is Old English.  When you say antique America what factories falls into that category?  To me it just doesn't have the look of an NEGC or Sandwich, Gillinder maybe? 

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: tropdevin on May 21, 2013, 02:47:23 PM

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Hi Mildawg

I have seen one or two very pale antique American scrambles, with a few bits of blue and white ribbon, but the canes in this are quite loosely spaced compared to most American scrambles I have seen. I don't recall seeing a scramble that was definitely attributed to Gillinder, but maybe someone one GMB can help on that.  I would certainly not rule out Old English, but it would be nice to see the canes more clearly - if you can get better images that would be great.

Alan

Alan

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 21, 2013, 03:26:45 PM

And it would be even better still if you would be kind enough to post the images directly to the gmb, rather than to a link which may see the images vanish later on...  :)

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: daveweight on May 21, 2013, 07:01:09 PM

Hi Mildawg
These encased flowers are not seen very often but a variety of them were made including a nice single rose, I am reluctant to say they are rare but I bought mine in Venice and saw a few others in the shop
Dave

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 25, 2013, 01:38:17 AM

Some additional pics.  The canes are so delicate. Measures 3 inches in diameter and 1-3/4 inches tall. I have not weighed it, but seems heavy for the size.

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 25, 2013, 01:40:17 AM

Couple more.

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: tropdevin on May 25, 2013, 08:29:08 AM

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Hi mildawg.

Thanks for the images - some interesting canes, of good quality. I do not see any 'complex' canes though - ones that have been made by bundling canes together, re-heating, and re-drawing.  The canes could be Old English, but I think it is easier to rule out factories than to home in on one. I do not think it was made by Arculus, Walsh Walsh, or Bacchus.  It reminds me a little of the paperweight shown below: this includes a green 'Queen's Head' cane which has appeared in a few Richardson pieces. But the rest of the canes do not look like known Richardson canes.

It could be that the paperweight you show and the one I have shown are from an as yet unidentifed factory (there are many Stourbridge and Birmingham factories who may have made paperweights).  Factories opened and closed and changed ownership frequently in the mid 19th century, and the stock and glassmakers moved from one factory to another. So I suspect canes made in one factory got combined with and used in others.

Alan

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: mildawg on May 25, 2013, 01:59:49 PM

Alan, there are a few complex canes. but they are hard to photograph.  Here are a couple. Most seem to incorporate the blue cane which contains a star inside a star at the center.  The last one is a partial of three red stars.  There is what appears to be an errant white speck there that oddly enough is shaped like the queens head.  I don't believe it is. 

Title: Re: ID?
Post by: tropdevin on May 25, 2013, 02:47:15 PM

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Hi mildawg.

Thanks for the additional images.  It is possible that the little shape you show just might be a 'queen's head', of the simple style used by Richardson - but that wouldn't help a lot with ID!  I have added an image below of an Old English paperweight that I own which has some canes rather like the weight we are discussing.  Mine is a magnum, and at the moment from an 'unknown maker'.

Alan