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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: rocco on May 24, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
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Black base glass (purple when looked against the light), peacock iridescence, with enamaled flower decoration.
11 cm high, moulded base with huge amount of wear.
Rim polished and bevelled, and seems to have had gilding which has worn off.
I have found similar pieces online by Harrach or Poschinger, but I guess others may have made those as well...
Any info about maker and age (if possible :) ) highly appreciated as usual!
Thanks,
Michael
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My own research came up with lots of similar pieces, most attributed to Harrach or Poschinger...
If I undestood it properly, this seems to be referred to as "Bronze Glass".
Warren Galle states that a lack of a polished pontil mark would point towards Harrach >> Link (https://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/harrach) (there are 2 vases in a similar style on that site).
TheGildedCurio shows several Harrach Bronze vases:
>> Link 1 (http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Harrach-425.html)
>> Link 2 (http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Harrach-283.html)
>> Link 3 (http://www.thegildedcurio.com/item-Harrach-42.html)
But there are many very similar pieces found online attributed to Poschinger:
on Rosa Maria's site: >> Link (http://www.madforglass.es/poschinguer/pos.785.html)
liveauctioneers.com: >> Link (http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7993702)
I don't know much about enameled decoration, so it is hard for me to judge the quality in mine (and if it would point to one of these makers -- or in a totally different direction ???)
And am I right in thinking this was made around 1900?
Thanks!
Michael
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Hi Michael
I love the colour and iridescence on the glass. It's not what I collect, and I know nothing at all about Poschinger, but I'll have a look in my books later and see if I can spot a match for the shape and size.
The implication from one of your links is that Poschinger would have had a polished pontil mark I think? My best guess might be Harrach for the body glass. There looks to be the remains of a stamped circular mark on the base in your photo? is there perhaps?
I'm not at all sure about the enamelling - again it's not really what I collect in style, it looks a little cottage'y', but Harrach did do a wide variation on enamelling I think from what I've read.
Need to get some time later (school hols at the mo) and will come back if I find anything.
m
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M, thank you so much for your help!
I have to admit that this sort of enameling is not what I would look out for, but I loved the iridescence...
I have rechecked the base very carefully, and I don't see a stamped mark (the circular thing seems to be some technical artefact, maybe from cooling or similar). Detail pic attached.
I am curious if you can find some more info! (As you are one of the top researchers here on the board :) )
Michael
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Hi Michael
On my monitor the base of your vase appears to show a circle with another circle inside it right around the dimply mould mark on the base. Of course it could just be something to do with the mould, but it looks properly circular to me as if it might have been the outline of a stamp or something.
The Harrach propellor mark I think did appear with a thick circle around it ... mm but I'm wondering on the other hand, if the circle mark is still slightly apparent then might not the propellor mark that would have been inside it also still be apparent.
Picture bottom right on this page link shows the Harrach propellor or actually the plumes, inside a circle if you see what I mean?
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This is a later acid stamp mark on this page
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Can you see what I mean about the circle mark? or is it just me imagining it?
m
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Thanks again, m -- I knew you would point me to some useful information. :)
I almost stared a hole in the base of the vase, but nothing similar to the propeller mark visible... (and I am so shortsighted, I don't need a magnifying glass to spot even the tiniest things ;D )
There are more than two of those lines, and they don't really make a perfect circle, so I would guess it is no mark, or maybe just the faintest remains of a mark which are impossible to identify.
My concern is that if this type of Harrach Bronze glass with enameled flowers was very popular, there may have been other makers copying it...
Michael
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Ok so maybe not the remains of a mark then.
Yes there were others making this dark iridescent glass. For example, Webb launched their bronze glass in 1878??? I think it was. I'm pretty sure others followed suit.
The shape and the enamelling aren't 'different' enough in your piece to immediately be able to compare it to something else (but still a lovely piece :) ).
There is something about yours, at the rim maybe, and the colour of the base glass and iridescent effect, that reminded me of the four lobed vase Harrach you linked to on Gilded Curio.
I'll keep looking :)
m
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Thank you, m! :)
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You're welcome :)
however I'm not much help unfortunately - I've been through the books I have and there is nothing I can match in shape or the enamelling. There is one vase in Truitt's Bohemian Glass 1800-1940 page 55 no 3 that has some similarities and is called Harrach Bronze glass. It has small ball feet and simple enamelling different to yours, and the iridescence looks quite green in their photo, but that is all I've found so far. I'll remember it though and will keep an eye open.
m
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Hi Michael
Just for reference as there doesn't appear to be a confirmed id, but I spotted these just now
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/83833-bohemian-iridescent-enameled-vase?in=442
the one in the background has some similarities of decoration?
Someone has suggested Poschinger.
And again on this one,which has a similar appearance to the finish as yours - someone has said that is Poschinger.
http://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/83531-cobalt-blue-golden-iris-vase?in=442
Something to be investigating although not definites at the mo :)
m
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Thanks m -- well spotted :)
The daisies in the background >> pic (http://cf.collectorsweekly.com/stories/TLg5RQTqsrGTH8zmT4dF6A.jpg) do look rather similar to mine...
Michael
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I've not been able to find a shape match to the vase so far, and also it seems that all the Poschinger vases have a firepolished rim - but there is one that appears to have a cut and polished rim in the Passau museum (it's on the left hand side at the back of one of the larger group displays in the photos below -c an't remember what page sorry).
But if your vase were mine I would still be leaning to Harrach at the moment.
I've attached a link to Poschinger displays in the Passau here - if you click forwards there are about 5 or 6 pages (pages 73-77) of Poschinger so you can compare. They are pretty amazing glass :) so worth a look anyway.
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m
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Thank you so much for the link - some beautiful glass there :)
I think I found the one you referred to (with a painted Iris flower).
Being a total newbie to Art Nouveau glass it is very interesting to see the Passau displays, I wasn't aware of a website showing so much of it...
So Harrach seems still more likely, no objection ;)
Michael
OT: as my fellow Ikora collector, m - have you seen that interesting goblet I found last week? http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52961.0.html
Do you have an opinion via yes or no?