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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Paul S. on May 26, 2013, 08:13:11 PM
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The first pic is today's acquisition, which appears to be the same shade as the second pic., and both shapes can be seen in the Gay Glass range - page 141 - Hajdamach's '20th Century Glass'. Both are optically ribbed, and both show some reaction to the u.v. torch, although I'm reasonably sure it's only due to a fairly high manganese content - both also have the factory trade mark backstamp.
Is this 'Evergreen' please?
The reason for showing the other two is simply to illustrate Webb's other shades of green............ the third pic (and palest of the greens) has a uranium content - glows well, and also has the backstamp...........
the last pic, and darkest of the greens, doesn't react at all to the u.v. torch, and is without a backstamp, but with that wave pattern is definitely Webb.
Thanks for looking :)
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Looks good to me,although I have been wrong,too many times to count, ::) ::) ;D ;D
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I always assumed that Evergreen did have uranium content and the few pieces I have do show this, however, later models (possibly 1940-on?) may have switched to another mix that did not have uranium.
The top two could have been later production, or not made in Evergreen. I have one large vase that glows like a good 'un and it certainly looks like Webb, but no backstamp. I'm always unsure about those look-alikes without a stamp, but as Richardson were taken over by Thomas Webb in 1930 perhaps these close links created some form of mirror production? Richardson was certainly using the same factory floor.
Source: 20th C British Glass, Charles Hajdamach, p.142 (caption)
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thanks - a mixed response then ;)
The shapes of the first two are to be seen in Hajdamach's illustration showing the Webb catalogue page for Gay Glass (1930's?), so on that basis are possible contenders for 'Evergreen', and the Backstamp for both is dated by Dodsworth to c. 1935 - 49 - so at least in the right area date wise for Gay Glass. Based on their backstamps, my pieces are potentially pre-war - but can't, of course, be sure.
As I've said, I'm confident that the dull glow from these first two pieces is simply the result of the presence of manganese.
When speaking of the three colours of Gay Glass, Hajdamach comments quite specifically about 'Sunshine'....... "......the Golden Amber which contained an appreciable amount of uranium......." - but makes no mention of either 'Spring' or 'Evergreen' containing uranium - thus implying they didn't??? Because of these several shades of green from Webb, pictures in books are an not always a reliable guide with which to be dogmatic about provenance, and I think what I was trying to say (to those folk who do have some 'Evergreen') was - 'does the green of these first two pieces look like the green of 'Evergreen'
If it's not too much trouble may I ask both David and Keith to post a pic of a piece of what they consider to be Webb's 'Evergreen, and to re-check with the torch re the matter of either uranium or manganese. Thanks very much :)
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Here's my one and only green'un,1935-49 mark,never thought to put it under the uv lamp, ;D
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thanks very much Keith - mine certainly don't glow remotely like that - although the basic shade of green looks the same. Maybe as David says mine are a later post war production and simply didn't contain any uranium, but are still classed as 'Evergreen'.
Just had a look through all my Webb pieces which made up with........... ordinary non-uranium amber - some pale green as in my picture three above, all of which glow - and surprisingly a fair amount of 'Sunshine' amber which also glows. But apparently no dark green with uranium.
Also don't seem to have any 'Spring' - it looks a very insipid pale green in the book.
thanks again.
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This is Spring Green http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=528
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David says mine are a later post war production and simply didn't contain any uranium
No, what I said was,
"I always assumed that Evergreen did have uranium content and the few pieces I have do show this, however, later models (possibly 1940-on?) may have switched to another mix that did not have uranium."
and...
"The top two could have been later production, or not made in Evergreen. "
Without further proof, such as works' records, to confirm this, we simply do not know.
As for photographing my examples, this will have to wait as they are all packed away, but Christine's Spring Green example does have Uranium, by the look of it (and why else would she keep it ;) )
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Apologies if I got it wrong David - it's been a long day :).
In Hajdamach the colour representation of 'Spring' is nothing like the piece shown by Christine - it looks more akin to sage - a greyish-green, so have to be careful with colours as they appear in books.
But I do have some uranium pieces like Christine's example, so would seem that I do have some 'Spring' after all then. Thanks Christine.
I also have a blue piece, with the Webb backstamp - I wonder what that is called ;)
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You have to remember you're seeing a reproduction of an advert that was based on a colourised drawing not a photograph
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but of course - perhaps he should have included some pix of these varieties in the flesh. ;) My copy is presently dismantled completely - am finally getting around to re-binding and making two volumes - so I can read it in the bath. It's the biggest single volume of all that I have, and it's tedious keep humping the lump on and off the shelf.
As regards these three varieties of Gay Glass (bet they wouldn't call it that now) - the 'Sunshine' amber seems not uncommon, with 'Spring' probably beating 'Evergreen' into second place - but that's just my experience - and I bet the Nile doesn't look remotely as green as this 'Spring' ;D Outside of Gay Glass, the bog standard amber - mostly in Bull's Eye pattern - has possibly been the most frequent of colours.
I've yet to find a piece of 'Cut Water Lily' - so am thinking this is uncommon - but more or less so than Webb's 'blue' I don't know.
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In the first pic are Gay Glass examples of what I'm fairly certain are 'Sunshine' Amber and 'Spring' Green (the two larger pieces) - they both glow quite strongly with the u.v. torch. The smaller cocktail glass - a tad over 3" (80mm) tall) has a yellowish lime colour, and doesn't appear in Hajdamach as one of the Gay Glass colours - also it doesn't react under the torch. All three pieces have the same c. 1935 - 49 backstamp.
I've not previously been aware of seeing this particular shade of yellowish lime as coming from Webb, and don't think I've seen it in the books.
Would anyone care to comment, and thanks for looking.