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Title: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: incazzatonero on May 28, 2013, 08:50:46 AM

Does anybody confirm that this is a weight from WM?
It looks like.

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: tropdevin on May 28, 2013, 10:43:42 AM

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Hi.  What year is engraved on the base (is it 1987)? I cannot find a design of that name in the Caithness Guide.

Alan

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: daveweight on May 28, 2013, 11:08:04 AM

This looks like a Murano weight to me, the raised mound in the base and the way the fish is set between two fonds is typical of the way they make them. Also it doesn't really look up to the Manson quality so I hope I am wrong but has someone got a Murano and scratched a fake inscription on the base ?
Dave

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 28, 2013, 01:03:30 PM

I agree - it doesn't look good enough to be Willie's work.
I can't enlarge the pics much, and they're a bit out of focus - but the "Caithness" seems to have an anomalous gap between the C and the rest of the word - that's not really up to Caithness standard either.  ???

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: incazzatonero on May 28, 2013, 03:42:22 PM

On the board we have indeed a strong fraction who intend very quick to say: Murano!
All Murano fishes I know are flat and not 3D.
So I add another picture which shows the engraving:
caithness
1969
15/250
Did William Manson work in 1969 at caithness?

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 28, 2013, 04:00:09 PM

I don't know - although if Willie was working at Caithness in '69, perhaps he still had a long way to go before he got to be as good as he is now?
But the writing of "caithness" still doesn't look good, and I still don't think it's Willie's work. (I could be wrong, pwts aren't really my thing)

I can't find much about dates - apart from this. (link below). It is possible he was at Caithness in '69.

http://www.ysartglass.com/Otherglass/WilMansonGls.htm

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: tropdevin on May 28, 2013, 04:30:04 PM

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Hi.

I do not think there were any Caithness lampwork paperweights until 1974, and I do not think Willie Manson made any for them until 1976.  The only Caithness paperweights issued in 1969 were the first Planets set of four.

I am sure this is not a genuine Caithness paperweight.   Regarding Murano fish, I have had some in the past that were 3D and swimming upright, but not as colourful as this one.

Alan

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 28, 2013, 06:31:58 PM

Just to play devil's advocate, could it be Paul Ysart, as he was still at Caithness then?

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 28, 2013, 06:37:09 PM

Only if he was having a very bad day!

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: Lustrousstone on May 28, 2013, 06:45:43 PM

This fishy has also been discussed before http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,45508.0.html

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: chopin-liszt on May 28, 2013, 06:57:35 PM

Well spotted/remembered!  :-*

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: flying free on May 29, 2013, 12:39:07 AM

I'm probably wrong  :-[ but this reminds me of a Ferro and Lazzarini weight I have.
Is it possible to have larger clearer pictures please?
Thanks
m

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: SophieB on May 29, 2013, 12:39:40 PM

Hi,

Yes, Ferro and Lazzarini were my first thought too.

SophieB

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: Nick77 on May 30, 2013, 08:52:47 PM

Don't think he'll post more pics it's on eBay now.

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: flying free on May 31, 2013, 08:55:08 PM

Are these your pictures to put on here?

I'm asking because you have asked another question on the Murano board, relating to the same seller of the fish paperweight but on another of that seller's items, and your question indicates you are not the seller  http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,52888.msg300341.html#msg300341

If you are not that seller, do you have permission to use these photographs? 

m

Title: Re: Early Caithness: presume the Maker was W. Manson !?
Post by: Roger H on June 10, 2013, 02:00:57 PM

If I was to call this fish anything it would be a clown fish (its quite comical anyway). It looks Murano to me also.
        Regards Roger.